Friday, July 19, 2013

Islamicists Fight Back: Episode 5 Part 2

Please continue comments here from previous post.  Blogger only allows for 200 comments to be posted on the Post page.  Yet, press Post a Comment on the Post page after all the comments, and one can view all the comments on the Comments page for that particular post.  I will try to resolve this problem next week.  Today was our 15th wedding anniversary.  So there is no time today to resolve blog problems.  In the meantime just post your comment here if you want.   Thank you.  Shabbat Shalom.


Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I will have to study this next week:

7/19/2013 4:35 PM  
Blogger LondonMale said...

A palace of David HaMalech found near Bet Shemesh.

Shabbat Shalom.

7/19/2013 4:41 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Apparently this 200 comment limit on the Post Page is a systemic problem with the new Blogger. So I am quickly cutting and pasting all the comments in excess of 200 from the Comments page on the previous post:

Dov Bar-Leib said: Ya'akov was "open" to being injured in the thigh vein because in the future his son Yosef would tell "tall tales" about his brothers. He was sold by his brothers on Tisha B'Av into slavery.

7/18/2013 12:48 AM

Does anyone know: Did Yosef reveal himself to his brothers on Yom Kippur?

7/18/2013 1:18 AM

MochinRevachin said: No proof but the Baal HaTurim mentions the phraseology of the "harvest" is only found in 1 other place in Tanach, that of Noach leaving the Teva. This might be a connection. I would look in Mikra Gedolos for something else but I dont have a copy at hand.

7/18/2013 3:17 AM

Meir M. said:
7/18/2013 12:17 PM
7/18/2013 12:18 PM

Well the linguine spined jellyfish who talks like Churchill but runs away like Chamberlain has done it again. Now we will see if there is an internal revolt from within Likud.

7/19/2013 5:54 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Former Slave said: Obama nominates the evil redheaded witch of Ireland to be his UN Ambassador. She advocates the invasion of Israel with a massive protection force" to protect the human rights of the Arabs. She is the embodiment of the will of Gog to invade Israel.

Powers proposes invasion of Israel

It is also significant that Powers is married to a full fledged member of the Erev Rav Mr. Cass Sunstein who has openly called for imposition of the "New World Order" upon the masses. He also proposes multiple, controversial stealth efforts by successive presidents to secretly influence and shape American public opinion and political debates.
7/18/2013 1:40 PM

CDG Yerushalayim said: From 7/17/2013 12:09 AM

"Zimmerman means Room German"

Does this mean that the Hebrew Tzimmer (צימר), having a similar definition, has no relationship to Zimmer (which in German would also be pronounced the same)?

I understand as you do, that Zimmerman and other German names (not to mention Russian, Arabic and other non-Hebrew names) are not intrinsically Jewish. Nevertheless, I think we should keep our heads up about George Zimmerman's fate, should things turn out badly for him (and his family, who are now in hiding). Commentary is still going around that his father is Jewish.

You did know that Bob Dylan's birth name is Robert Zimmerman, right? And he is no less Jewish for that fact.

We must also recall that not only Germans went to South America during and after the Sho'ah. Many Ashkenazis escaping from the Holocaust went to South America, and thus speak Spanish. I happen to have gone to high school with the shy son of one of them, whose family had moved to the US from Argentina.

So, while I hope GZ is not a Jew, as much for his sake as for ours, I do not hold out any hope that people will stop (mis)taking him for one, since many goyim in the US see Jews behind German names (whether they actually are or not often escapes them) and don't care if only the father is a Jew.

On a more pleasant note, happy anniversary and all the best to your family!
7/18/2013 3:16 PM

DBLeib said: Mochin, brilliant. Gen. 45:6 says that there had been two years of harvest, and fields had not been plowed for the third year. This places the "I am Yosef" saga after the harvest of the second year of famine. At the very least this places the "I am Yosef" event between Tishrei and Shevat before the fields are plowed again. The time of Katzir is from Tishrei through Cheshvan in years when Rosh HaShana falls late, or between Sukkot and the 15th of Kislev in years when Rosh HaShana comes early.
7/18/2013 5:04 PM

Anon. said: Re Does anyone know: Did Yosef reveal himself to his brothers on Yom Kippur?

The Midrash Says has the answer written in it. I read it but don't have the book over here to check. I think he did reveal himself on Yom Kipur. Please can someone check in the Midrash Says.
7/18/2013 5:20 PM

7/19/2013 5:59 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Anon. said: Re DBLeib's: "Until the EU declared the Golan and East Jerusalem occupied territory on Tisha B'Av, verboten to Jews or Judenrein, I could not see how this could quickly reach a climax in"

I saw this right away. Hashem is placing all the pawns in the same spot they were in originally but this time around they will lose and this will be how Hashem's Name will be sanctified and magnified in the eyes of the goyim. On Tisha b'Av they destroyed the Temple, now they're on their way back to the holy City but this time around they will lose big time and our victory will be miraculous. Let them come in masses with all their weapons and amunition, verbal and physical. Thank Hashem in advance for bringing them and be extremely happy now. we are at the end of the circle and everything's for the best. It's the greatest time to be alive, all our avot have dreamed of it so, thank Hashem and rejoice! By thanking Hashem in advance one forces so to speak Hashem to deliver the good(ie)s. So thank Him abundantly.

Do not fear, even if they come with a huge army, and are numerous than us because it's we who are more numerous. They come with arms of flesh but we come with Hashem, the king of the universe. He's on our side. It says in tehillim perek 2 and perek 59 that Hashem will laugh of them. The more the merrier.

see eg. Power [Samantha], what a name. Mrs All-Powers will try to defeat the King of the Universe. Hahaha, what a joke.
7/18/2013 5:56 PM

DBLeib said: So now Abbas has just adopted the European position as a pre-condition to start negotiations, that everything will be based on the pre-1967 borders and a divided Jerusalem. If it is good enough for the Europeans, it is surely good enough for him. Netanyahu has NOT accepted pre-67 borders as a condition for talks. So for all intents and purposes, unless Obama and Kerry pull a fast one and accept Europe's and Abbas's pre-conditions, there will be no talks. Each hour is like watching a soap opera. The twists and turns of posturing and the gift of gab is a pile of manure, but those who know how to play that game well are playing it. Wait now for the 8pm edition of All That Horse Manure!
7/18/2013 7:04 PM

Master Chess Player wins again. news at 9pm. Abbas checkmates himself into corner by adopting EU demands as his own pre-conditions. Netanyahu rejects those demands and pre-conditions. game set match! Sorry, that is a tennis expression.

But after the Ba'al Kerry goes back to Lady Ketchup to see how she is doing which he does from time to time after visits to Ramallah and Yerushalayim, I am sure he will be back next week too for another round of Chess with the Master Chess player.
7/18/2013 8:05 PM

Ariela said: SO ultimately it is Schumer's Race and religion which they see as a problem, A JEW, not the fact he is a left wing ding bat. Then there is this Right wing Ding bat.

I think ding bat needs to be made a religion and culture. Think about it.
7/19/2013 4:30 AM

London Male said: Archaeologists find a palace of David HaMelech near Bet Shemesh, announce it on day after Tish B'Av.
7/19/2013 5:21 AM

DBLeib said: I will have to write another post next week, bli neder. There are 215 comments on this post so far. I just noticed for the first time that on the page for individual posts, only 200 comments are shown maximum. Press "post a comment" to get to a page on which all the comments are posted. If someone familiar with Blogger knows how to show all comments on the post page, please let me know.
7/19/2013 2:27 PM

7/19/2013 6:09 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

DBLeib: Here in Israel we can set rules asking Xtian missionaries NOT to proselytize in the public squares of Jewish cities and of Jewish neighborhoods. In America we cannot make such rules. In America a Jew has to be armed with the Truth of why we cannot convert to Xtianity. It is the responsibility of each and every Jew to be armed with information so that he/she does not destroy his/her own life and the lives of his children. In this circumstance, I cannot blame the evangelist. A Jew has to seriously ask himself before committing himself to a new god and a new worldview, why did the previous 110 generations of my ancestors resist this, and why am I such a spineless jello that I can't critically think and say NO? Jews have to take responsibility for shmadding themselves. This Republican is not approaching Chuckie Schumer with a knife or a sword, just with the power of persuasion. So every Jew including Chuckie Schumer has to know why he is saying NO to Xtianity.
7/19/2013 2:39 PM
In short, if you choose to live in a free society where one can make free choices about what one believes, then one has the responsibility to choose with facts and evidence. For instance, when a Xtian comes to you about how one needs blood sacrifices for atonement, you must be armed with knowledge that korbanot only bring atonement for one's life in Olam HaZeh and to repair the damage done to the Creation. Blood of korbanot never ever provided atonement for one's Olam HaBa. Only if you suffer from a mitzvah which causes you to bleed can it possibly be an atonement for the World to Come. A Tzaddik who suffers for the sins of others in this world does not provide a place in the world to come for Reshayim or Beinonim. Only the Tzaddik gets the reward in Olam HaBa for his suffering. The Wicked and the Beinonim simply don't have to suffer for their own sins in Olam HaZeh if someone else has done that for him. In the end this only helps the Beinoni do more mitzvot and allows him to do teshuvah without suffering in Olam HaZeh because the Tzaddik has already suffered in Olam HaZeh for his sins. The Rasha will not do teshuvah, gets all his reward in Olam Hazeh, and has no Olam Haba (whether the Rasha believes that such and such suffered and died for his sins or not). Explain this to a proselytizing Xtian, and be firm. After 15 minutes the proselytizer will give up, smile at you, and walk away.
7/19/2013 3:00 PM
Years ago I used to buy and sell used textbooks in Eastern Missouri and Southern and Central Illinois. My best customer was the Vice-Principal of Hannibal Middle School. Sometimes I would wear a baseball cap, but sometimes I wore a kipah. There was a particular janitor who would take time out of his busy cleaning schedule to try to proselytize me to his man-god while I was packing up textbooks at the school. There is no way to live in America when it was a truly free society and not be confronted by this stuff. Just deal kindly with those who are "concerned about the dispensation of your soul", and explain to them why you are not so concerned as he/she is. And take some time out to explain to these folk about G-d's Laws of common decency, and how ultimately at least for them, that is what He cares about.
7/19/2013 3:09 PM
Yet, if someone does something that is so bad that he is Chayav karet or even Chayav Mitah (spiritual excision or even the death penalty) and does teshuvah, it is better to suffer in this world for those really serious infractions to cleanse the soul in this world instead of the World to Come. In these very serious cases, one should welcome the chance to suffer for these things when one does teshuvah.
7/19/2013 3:26 PM
That was easy. Shabbat Shalom.

7/19/2013 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Shiloh said...

Mazal Tov Dov, may you have many many more happy years together.

Seen the news? The Kerry is at it again.

7/20/2013 8:45 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Shiloh: We go into Shabbat, and our linguine spined PM breaks Shabbat. And all H-ll breaks loose. He is fed a Pile of poop, eats it because of the faithless, feckless man that he is. Obviously he consulted no one with a stronger spine than he has since all the stronger spined people in the Govt. are Shomer Shabbat to at least some extent. And we shall see what happens by the 17th of Elul. It is exactly 266 days (9 Hebrew months) from the UN vote for Palestine on the 15th of Kislev 5773 and the 17th of Elul. The phone call from Obama to Bibi on Thursday obviously included a threat to adopt the EU position that the US will now force Israel to accept the 67 borders with agreed land swaps as a pre-condition to negotiations if Bibi does not get back to the table. So in order to protect himself and Israel from what Obama will try to impose anyway, Mr. Linguine spine caved to pressure. And on top of all this he is going to release a bunch of vicious murderers from our jails. The world of pure evil has run amok. not much else to say.

7/20/2013 10:37 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

One very good reason for the delay from Tisha B'Av 5772 until the 15th of Kislev 5773 is to give American Jews at least one summer to make Aliyah because of the lessons, if any, they learned from Hurricane Sandy and Obama's re-election. For families with children the best time to make Aliyah is during the summer after Tisha B'Av and before the school year begins. For those with the finances and extenuating circumstances to do so, making Aliyah at this time is really the only sane option. The fact that the ninth month ends on the 16th/17th of Elul provides people with ample time after Sandy to make the appropriate decision (or at least prepare for an alternative in a country location where the majority of non-Jews are righteous gentiles). Yes, I know that the Foreign Ministry is now on strike, but these plans should have been made months ago anyway. It is really time to be here BEFORE the nations of the world come to the Valley of Yehoshefat for judgement. The faithless and the feckless likely won't come because they fear our eternal destruction because they don't know that in order for us to be saved by HaShem we must be in really hot water to begin with.

7/20/2013 10:50 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

One last thing. Of course there was no reason for Obama to call Bibi on Thursday night after negotiations had already fallen apart except for one reason and one reason only, to threaten him.

7/20/2013 11:06 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Theyre letting more murderers out of jail "as a jesture"!!!!!!!

It doesn't pay to get very upset, not good for the Jewish heart. I have to keep telling myself this as I feel anger begin. I have to remind myself that HaShem is in control and we interpret many things as being bad for us, but when Moshiach comes we will understand that these things were eventually for our good, just that it is not apparent at the present. We can only do what we are able to do and plead to HaShem to help us be strong and get through all the nisyonos with our Emuna intact. All this I am saying to myself. Just sharing it with you.

7/20/2013 11:20 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

I'm sure we all know what "slight of hand" means -- well, within this article I think we will witness "slight of mouth Kerry" pull a fast one over the Israelis via Netanyahu. Read the entire article.

7/20/2013 11:36 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

DEBKAfile: Kerry obtains Israeli, Palestinian consent to negotiate interim accord, without borders issue
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report July 19, 2013, 11:45 PM (GMT+02:00)
US Secretary John Kerry announced Friday July 19 the resumption of Israeli-Palestinian talks in Washington as soon as next week. In this exclusive report, debkafile discloses for the first time that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas agreed the talks would seek an interim peace accord, creating a Palestinian state on broad areas of the West Bank from which Israeli would withdraw, subject to security arrangements. Israel accepted a partial settlement freeze. The Palestinians dropped their 1967 borders pre-condition for the talks. "

There seems to be a jumbling of terms, omissions and gaping holes in the wording of news reports ..... My estimation is this is a TRAP.
Laiyla Tov

7/20/2013 11:50 PM  
Anonymous mkf said...

I'm sure it was to threaten him (OB's call to Bibi)...My question is always what is the nature of the threat? One could speculate, but better not to to get too detailed in a public forum, nachon?

7/21/2013 12:28 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

just one thing to say, Baruch HaShem, 4 1/2 weeks till Judgement Day. Today is the 14th of Av. about 4 1/2 weeks until the 16th or 17th of Elul. Give oneself nerves of steel with Emunah in our G-d and in His Sages of the Ages. One last thing: HaRaYON (pregnancy) without the Hey has gematriah 266. 266 days is exactly 38 weeks or 9 Hebrew months....from the 138 - 9 UN vote which started us on this road. 138 is both the Gematriah for Tzemach and Menachem. See my first post about the Tsunani And The Sweet Letters of Judgement for an understanding of the Tzadee that represents Mashiach's name of Tzemach.

Be Happy. G-d keeps His promises.

7/21/2013 1:31 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Zecharia HaNavi teaches us that B'itah we have to go through this. G-d will not fully judge the nations of the world until they play their hand to divide Yerushalayim. We will see how far they can get in 4 1/2 weeks.

7/21/2013 1:33 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Well now we know that they were all in on the ruse. The phone call to Bibi was precisely the threat that the pre-67 borders with a divided Yerushalayim would be the basis for negotiations. It is good to know that this is happening now. The negotiations will begin at the beginning of the ninth month!!

Smiling King Shaul betrays his nation for the Witch of Eindor

We will see how the other MKs of Likud react.

7/21/2013 2:21 AM  
Blogger ariela said...

7/21/2013 7:55 AM  
Anonymous mkf said...

It gets slimier:

Report: Peres Persuaded Abbas to Negotiate

According to the Sunday Times President Peres convinced PA Chairman Abbas to negotiate two months ago in Amman. The Times says Abbas accepted the proposal by which all Israelis would stay in Yesha under PA jurisdiction.

7/21/2013 8:28 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

About the Russian maneuvers: Russia flexing war muscles

7/21/2013 10:11 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

One thing seems to becoming clear today while a bunch of other details are shrouded in mystery. Netanyahu never agreed to talks based on the 67 borders with land swaps. He never agreed to those pre-conditions. Yet, the Ba'al Kerry let it be known to the PA that the Obama Administration did agree to those conditions, and that the 67 Auschwitz borders as proposed by the European Union are America's basis for these negotiations. So America and the EU are officially on the same page. seems like a viper's nest to even begin talking. But someone kicked Netanyahu in the gut on Thursday, Friday, and Shabbat. So he is sending his rep. the Witch of Eindor into the viper's nest. G-d willing, welcome to month number 9. Happy Tu B'Av.

7/21/2013 7:17 PM  
Anonymous mkf said...

Still a lot of spin out there. This on A7 tonight; We may yet be saved by the enemy once again.

Senior PLO official, Yasser Abed Rabbo, said Sunday that the Palestinian Authority (PA) leadership has still not decided to return to negotiations with Israel. The decision depends on the PA's receiving clarifications on certain matters that are still unresolved, he said, and some of these are “substantive.

However, what is the most disturbing are all the messages alluding to the fact that OB/Kerry are making the decisions for Israel and Israel is being informed about what it must do or not.


7/21/2013 8:51 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, it is becoming clearer and clearer that this last month of the nine months will be distinguished by the apparent fact that we are not even negotiating for our sovereignty anymore. The US and the EU have already decided the outcome, all based on what their Saudi handlers are telling them to do.

7/21/2013 9:06 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

~It's getting more and more surreal: phantasmagoric,
phantasmagorical, surrealistic, dreamlike. having the disorienting, hallucinatory quality of a dream; unreal; fantastic: surreal complexities of 'the bureaucracy'~

Maybe Netanyahu is hoping at the right moment Bennett, et al. will break the sound barrier and rescue him and thus release his alter-ego!

7/21/2013 10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I live in USA, maybe you can look into this:

7/21/2013 10:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn't anyone talk about this?

7/21/2013 10:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Power precedes destruction" - Proverbs

All we have to do is to trust in Hashem ONLY. Rely on Him ONLY [and not in any human or human help]. Ask Hashem ONLY (pray because even if we're worthy, we still need to daven in order for Hashem to deliver it to us). And as He has demonstrated in the last 4000 years, He WILL act. It's so simple. This entire balagan is about who has the most powerful emunah. The faster and the more we'll lean on Hashem ONLY, the faster and more miraculously He will deliver us from our enemies traps. Unless we'll want to wait another 200 yrs chas ve'sh for Moshiach to come, Yes, No ? Een od milevado.

Power is only Go-d's!

7/21/2013 11:11 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Saya exhibit is sick. From the water tower in Beit El with a crude rocket launcher I can hit any building in Tel Aviv which can be easily identified on a clear day. This is what the sickos in Tel Aviv have waiting for them if their own survival is secondary to their popularity in the eyes of the world.

Neshama is correct. The world as a unit is so evil right now, that all of this is surreal. Hitbodedut with HaShem is the greatest medicine for sanity. Say and repeat Psalms (Tehillim) 2 and 83 everyday this month as we wade through the sewage of the insanity.

7/21/2013 11:23 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I am, bli neder, committing myself to say a block of 5 Tehillim three times per day plus Psalms 2 and 83 three times per day. We all knew that this hard part was coming. Divine Judgement on the nations of the world was simply impossible until the full court press to divide Jerusalem occurred. The full court press to do specifically this according to the Prophets is the triggering event to bring the entire world into judgement. It is "finally" happening. So it is best to have a personal game plan of spiritual health and survival as the entire world goes mad and makes the attempt.

7/21/2013 11:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank Hashem in advance and trust in Him ONLY,

Blessed are You Hashem, our Go-d, King of the Universe, (the Go-d) Who takes up our grievance, judges our claim, avenges our wrong; Who brings just retribution upon all enemies of our soul and exacts vengeance for His people Israel from all their foes, the Go-d Who brings salvation.

(what we say after we read the purim megilla and from the hagadah)

Hashem is doing this whole show because he wants us to lean on, rely on and trust in Him ONLY. Yes, ONLY !!

Een od milevado.

Mrs Ketchup, Mrs All Powers, the Neo-Nazis and O don't exist. There's Hashem ONLY.

7/22/2013 2:43 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

This is going to happen in WASHINGTON DC a/k/a ROME!

7/22/2013 8:36 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Anonymous, yes we need pour out our hearts to HaShem, and yes this may be "part of the plan", but we do not and should not relinquish land willingly ... that shows we do not "cherish her stones, trees and dust (sands)". While there is a 'decree' being forced upon us here on earth, the same is occurring in Shomayim, and we should not just let the 'forces of Yishmael' steal our inheritance in Shomayim as well as on the Land without a struggle. We must show that the Land is dear to us, because the Torah, Eretz Yisrael and Am Yisrael are One.

7/22/2013 8:42 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Well here is the first salvo of resistance.

Danny Danon, the CEO of Likud speaks up

I am sure that he and others have been planning a counter-attack for at least a week. I am sure that he knew that Netanyahu would likely cave for a long time. Michael Kleiner as of last month is the new Chief internal Judge within Likud that can check Netanyahu's move for now conforming to the party platform.

Unlike Sharon:

1. Netanyahu does NOT control the infrastructure within Likud anymore. He is only the PM.

2. Sharon still had 27 Likud MKs after 13 MKs rebelled. Netanyahu will be lucky if he has 10 Likud/Beiteinu MKs if and when the rebellion takes place.

These are all practical ways of stopping insanity which occurred because of the Likud Primaries which took place 4 days after King Shaul's surrender on the 8th day of the Gaza War during Kislev. Let us see if everyone plays their part.

7/22/2013 8:56 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

The Particlization* of Eretz Yisrael and Am Yisrael ... Electron*-izing our Homeland

(snif, snif)

7/22/2013 9:35 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Secret Obama plan forfeits Temple Mount to Palestinians. Formula for Israel-Arab talks leaked extra! extra! read all about it here

7/22/2013 3:32 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Cemetery of Negotiations: a Prophecy

7/22/2013 3:34 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

When Europe demanded Israel surrender the Western Wall:

'Ashton’s office noted in a statement sent to The Times of Israel Tuesday, the directive was “in conformity with the EU long-standing position that Israeli settlements are illegal under international law and with the non-recognition by the EU of Israel’s sovereignty over the occupied territories irrespective of their legal status under domestic Israeli law ... the EU’s new policy is in effect demanding that Israel deny — in writing — any rights to the Western Wall, Judaism’s holiest site, as a precondition for signing any agreement with the EU."

After reading the above, take notice of this:

“We want Israel to play a full part in these instruments and we want to be sure that Israel’s participation is not put in question so that Israel will be able to make use of all possibilities offered by the new financial framework,”

THIS MEANS THAT THE EU IS PUTTING A NOOSE (Israel to play a full part) AROUND NETANYAHU's NECK AND DEMANDING HE KICK THE ROCK OUT FROM BENEATH HIS OWN FEET) deny — in writing — any rights to the Western Wall)!!!

They are so disgustingly evil. We must do something to contest this!

7/22/2013 4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/22/2013 4:51 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Neshama, you and a few others received my private email. In answer to all the stress, I have one cryptic sentence: His name will be Yinon. more details later as the situation develops, but we are most definitely entering the ninth month.

7/22/2013 7:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went to Israel July 2005 in order to get into Gush Katif and protest the Disengagement. I stayed there for 3 weeks until we were taken out. After I went to Jerusalem where I bought a painting by Victor Shrem. I asked the lady selling it what did it say? She told me it was the name of mashiach. I have not heard this name but once since then in regard to it being the name of mashiach. Will you tell us why you say this?

7/22/2013 9:47 PM  
Blogger Leah said...

Absolutely correct, Neshama. A noose is an appropriate description.
I check in with your blog, Doc bar Leib, I just usually do not comment.
I will say this. It use to be that one could tune in to the need and major happenings would take place once every few months or few years etc.
Then it would be once every few weeks. Now, it is every day something pops onto the scene.

7/22/2013 9:58 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Psalm 72:17 "Before the sun(rise) Yinon is his name." The sunrise refers to the Geulah beginning 72 years after the implementation of the Final Solution on the 2nd of Shevat 5702 (Wannsee Conference). There are 72 years from Alot HaShachar (the worst time of our exile, the Shoah) until sunrise. That is the name of Mashiach before sunrise and before he is revealed in the world after sunrise which takes place in 5774. Look in Medrash Sefer Eliyahu for the exact date. There are exactly 271 days from the 15th of Kislev 5773 (The UN vote) until the date in the Medrash. I wonder why. Look in the Talmud Niddah 38 for the answer. Draw your own conclusion. I will not be saying anything else on this topic for now.

7/22/2013 10:33 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

OMGosh, Anonymous, is that artwork stunning. It says 'Inon', but in Ivrit that would be Yinon. Can I ask, what are you involved with in your country?

7/22/2013 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CDG, Yerushalayim:

I wish I could know some of you better. For one thing, Neshama, I would like to give you a hug and pray and cry with you. I agree with you that there must be something we can do to try to stop the madness. I still have to work and act as though I know nothing of what is happening. I wish I could do more, directly.

Perhaps the best way to handle it, since we have little control by natural means, is to look for the advantages in our situation. For one thing, if the Medinah gives up Yehuda and the Shomron, the Jews there won't have to answer to the Erev Rav authorities. Esser Agaroth hints at this at the end of this article here, and one of his commenters sees an opportunity for the Jews who manage to stay in Yo"SH.

I also wonder whether this rabbi, Avraham Shmuel Lewin, Executive Director of the Rabbinical Congress for Peace (RCP), will have any effect here in Israel. See "Take the Word 'Withdrawal' out of the Israeli Lexicon"

"As Israeli leaders scramble to react to pressure from both sides of the Atlantic - including a European Union boycott against Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights and Jerusalem; and US pressure to make concessions to the Palestinian Authority - one group of rabbis insists that the only effective response lies in a return to traditional Jewish values."

May Yinon come soon, whoever he is, if it is the Mashiach's name as described in the book of Sanhedrin.

7/22/2013 10:46 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Look at Medrash Sefer Eliyahu for the exact date of Yinon's coming. It is there is black and white and is 271 days (38 weeks and 5 days after the UN vote 138 - 9 for dividing Eretz Yisrael). There is nothing to make up here. The exact date is in the medrash, and its author Eliyahu HaNavi lived 2700 years ago. For the Talmud's explanation of 271 days look at Niddah 38. It is the gematriah of HaRaYON which means pregnancy. So let the madness begin. Watching people go nuts for one month can bring a smile to one's face if one knows that it will only last one month and five days.

The English version of Medrash Sefer Eliyahu is in the sidebar of this blog.

7/22/2013 10:56 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

And you think things have been nuts already? Bibi has agreed to release Palestinian murderers for this man:

Yehonatan ben Malkah

The plot thickens.

7/22/2013 11:01 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Ok, I relent. This is the exact wording of Sefer Eliyahu on the name Yinon.

On the twentieth (day) of Ellul, the Messiah will come: his name is Yinnōn. On that same day Gabriel will descend (and) from the ninth to the tenth hour will destroy from the world ninety-two thousand people.

It is the exact wording of the medrash, and the 20th of Ellul is usually exactly the 271st day from and including the 15th of Kislev. This year because Kislev was shortened by one day from 30 to 29 days, the 271st day is the 21st of Ellul. These two days are the last Monday and Tuesday in August this year. I don't want to predict anything, but at the very least I am not barking up the wrong tree. Take it or leave it, and you can decide later whether this is meaningful information or not. My gut tells me that it depends on what Obama will do and what conferences he will call for in Rome, Maryland if Likud sabotages his evil ruse.

7/22/2013 11:12 PM  
Anonymous mkf said...

Dov...i am ectastic that Bibi has put forth this proposal. If he will remain firm there will be no prisoner release because OB won't release Jonathan...but that's not why i am happy. I feel Bibi showed strength to interject this and even finally doing something as a tough stand for Pollard. It gives me hope for Bibi finding his way back. What do you think.

7/22/2013 11:47 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

MKF: It would be a tremendous tikkun for the Chessmaster or as Shmuel haNavi described Shaul HaMelekh, the man whose head rises above everyone else.

It also exposes the sheker of Obama's intentions. If Obama really wanted Israel to concede to release 82 murderers for the Utopian vision of starting negotiations, why would Obama refuse to release Pollard?? No one is questioning Bibi's brilliance in all this or even his intentions. The question with Bibi has always been his lack of Emunah and bitachon in HaShem. And throughout his career his lack of emunah has caused him to trip up time and again. For someone with a high soul root like Shaul HaMelekh, the tikkun has to be a public matter of major import.

7/22/2013 11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From 3 to 4 PM the destruction will occur?

7/23/2013 12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Neshama (post of 7/22/2013 8:42 AM)

I am the same Anonymous to whom you replied.

I never said we have to relinquish land Go-d forbid! What I meant to say is that First know that all these puppets do not exist so FIRST do as I wrote in my post and then Hashem will do the rest. Do not rely on your intelligence in order to try to understand. Do not try to understand. Hashem can act in a million ways we never thought of and could never act. When we'll invest all our energy like that, there won't be any problem left. Please forward my 2 comments about 'Hashem ONLY' to at least 10 Jews and ask them to fwd it further like a chainmail. When we trust Hashem ONLY and rely on Him ONLY , we get exactly what we need when we need it in miraculous manner. Have you tried it ? I have. Please fwd my messages.

The situation in Israel will worsen till it will be unbearable whatever we may try to do in a human way so it's much more effective anyway to only rely on Hashem. By doing this you're actually BRINGING the geula, like a magnet attracting it closer in a HUGE way!

Hashem wants us to trust in, rely on, lean on and ask HIM ONLY !! Yes we have to resist giving land but it won't help until we'll do as above written!

7/23/2013 12:02 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, in its exactitude the Medrash Sefer Eliyahu implies that the meteorite shower or fiery hail or both seems to strike between 3 to 4pm. I am not sure if that is daylight savings time. It would seem to me that 3 to 4pm would be 4 to 5pm DST. Let us think this through together...and give it a range of 3 to 5pm for the time being.

Hey if Eliyahu HaNavi wants to give not just a date but a range of hours on that day, it is good enough for me. This medrash is ancient of course. It first appeared in Yemen in written form around 500 ce. Prior to that date it was likely orally transmitted, and like all things in our Oral tradition, it was written down so that the exact information in it would not be compromised.

7/23/2013 12:30 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Dollar down to 3.57 shekels/dollar today. I wonder why??

7/23/2013 12:32 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I should also point out that it is not clear from the medrash specifically if the 3 to 5pm time range is Holy Land time or Rome time...whichever city Rome turns out to be.

7/23/2013 12:38 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Again this is not a prediction for this year specifically. The medrash of course mentions a time and date with no year, but the circumstantial evidence along with sources in the Talmud Yerushalmi, Talmud Bavli Niddah 38, the Medrash Sefer Eliyahu, and the Zohar VaYeira 119 and the UN vote on the 15th of Kislev for Palestine (138 - 9) is piling up. Put these dates, 20th or the 21st of Ellul, on your watch list.

7/23/2013 12:43 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Of course I have been thinking about this hour between the 9th and 10th hour specifically mentioned in the medrash. It is the time of Mincha ketanah, the lesser Mincha. Mincha Gedolah at 12:30 pm defeats the Erev Rav. Mincha Ketanah defeats the Erev Ze'ir and the Erev Rav together. Maybe we have reached this point in time that the "popularity is our god" crowd and the "perpetual galut is good" crowd lose power together. The step by step process that was supposed to begin with Mashiach ben Ephraim in 5766 did not work out so well. In 5765 (2005) we did not have our "common decency is good" ducks in order.

7/23/2013 1:02 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Wow, I must admit that every day is a spectacle beyond description. King Shaul wants to be re-united with his long lost son Yehonatan ben Malkah, and specifically says that he would release 82 hardened murderers from Israeli jails to obtain his release. What will tomorrow bring?

7/23/2013 1:17 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Well at least the Rav's son for Mashiach ben Ephraim sitting in an American jail is a free man:

Rav Shmuel Eliyahu is a free man after AG Weinstein challenges his fitness

7/23/2013 1:30 AM  
Blogger LondonMale said...

Whilst it is horrible to hear of the USA and EU plans for Jerusalem and Israel, I am reminded of Rabbi Akiva laughing at seeing foxes on the Temple Mount. He realised it was the manifestation of prophecy.

7/23/2013 1:52 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I guess 1900 years after the passing of Rav Akiva zt"l we are finding it difficult to laugh at the ancient foxes and the present jackasses prancing on the Temple Mt. After 1900 years, it is time to move onwards and upwards. good night

7/23/2013 1:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is parshah Vayislach and the Haftara couldn't be more appropriate appropriate - Ovadiah 1:1-21.

"Is there any doubt on that day - the words of Hashem - I will cause the wise men of Edom to be lost and discernment from the mountain of Esau?"

7/23/2013 2:54 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Well here is some lack of discernment from Francois Hollande head of the Rifat (Tzarfat) ben Gomer gang of prostitutes aka Diplomats:

The Eye Slit Experiment not to be confused with the Double Slit Experiment

7/23/2013 3:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Theres still time for that Zohar VaYera 119 prophecy to occur, like 1 month or so

7/23/2013 4:59 AM  
Anonymous Shiloh said...

Aaron Klein of WND reports the deal, which Obama has a key plan.

7/23/2013 5:17 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Here's an update to what I posted above:

Secret Obama plan forfeits Temple Mount to Palestinians. Formula for Israel-Arab talks leaked extra! extra! read all about it here 7/22/2013 3:32

Aaron Klein confirms and updates secret Obama plan that is no more a secret EU instigator and Temple Mount giveaway


Obama nixes Pollard release

7/23/2013 2:17 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Found an article that discusses whether Kate's mother is Jewish (probably not but but only Carole Middleton knows?). Jewish or Not and another link from the article jewornotnew, just in case anyone wants to know.

7/23/2013 2:43 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Do you get this???

"Bennett’s posturing caught his coalition partners by surprise. For one thing, Bennett would be foolish to force the collapse of the government so soon after an election over such a trivial issue."

So says this Gur guy who writes for the Times of Israel.

Plus he says, "For another, the government, including the prime minister, openly supports anchoring the requirement for a referendum in a basic law. Bennett is charging into an open door."

However I read elsewhere that the referendum some are speaking about was adopted already but is only a partial one. What Bennett is pushing for, I believe, includes more land (area C and more).

Is anyone following this and do you understand the difference?

Referendum YNet
Referendum Times of Israel
Referendum Wikipedia (here's where the distinction is made)
I don't really understand why there is a difference, and maybe neither do the Israelis?

7/23/2013 8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A federal appeals court on Tuesday invalidated a US law that was designed to allow American citizens born in Jerusalem to choose to have Israel listed as their birthplace on passports contrary to long-standing US foreign policy.

As I have said before, the USA is a lost cause, and G-d will add this to the list of it's sins against the Jewish people.

Former Slave

7/23/2013 8:37 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Here's another explanation, and this guy gets it:

NEW Referendum.

7/23/2013 8:41 PM  
Anonymous mkf said...

This is what you said all along Dov..that Obama was behind the EU boycott. This man is very evil. But we shouldn't let the State Dept off the hook. I am certain it was a joint venture of the US Govt . (Excluding the Congress)

7/23/2013 11:15 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Xtians have it partially right about the 11th Horn Dude. Obama is the Satan's apprentice, the anti-Mashiach. Where the Xtians are wrong is that Samkel or the Satan in his role as the Heavenly Accuser in the 5th Heaven does not have an independent will of his own. Yet, in order for Man to have free will in this world, Samkel was given a vast empire of darkness to make choosing good over evil a challenge. Bila'am learned to tap into that darkness through black magic, and within that darkness one can reign over billions of people who choose that path even if G-d Himself has set the boundaries of how far the wicked can go without giving one inch to the forces of darkness in the world. Yet, for those who have chosen the path of the "Satan's Mashiach", twice electorally, it will be difficult for them to find the light. Stay in the light of G-d's countenance, believe in the Goodness of the Omnipresent, and stick with the Truth as rare of a quality that that might be. Do kindness to strangers and to the poor. Learn Torah by setting aside a specific time each day. Have Seudat Shlishit, the 3rd Shabbat meal, and sing the 23 Psalm. As you walk through the gorge of the shadow of death, you will fear no evil.

Understand that in this last 7 year period, this last Sabbatical cycle, the sparks of exile have already been gathered. We are peering through the dung of a jackass because the materialism of the Chamur (jackass) of history has already been squeezed of whatever purity there is in it. And all that is left in the physical world outside of Eretz Yisrael is to put it politely the dung. Realize this, and one will survive this last 7 years with one's soul intact.

Like Bila'am before him, Obama will not be able to curse us with his hatred for us. Because his earthly kingdom of vast darkness is strictly bordered by the light of the Divine Countenance, Obama like Bila'am is simply a tool in G-d's Hands. There is one difference. Bila'am was a magician. Obama is anointed to rule the darkness in this world for this short period of time. His encroachment of the Land of the Deer (E.Yisrael) will not be tolerated by G-d since we are blessed here, and the Light of G-d shines here all year long.

7/24/2013 1:08 AM  
Anonymous Shiloh said...

Dov, any thoughts on Aaron Kleins article? Has there been any polls taken of how people will vote when this fake peace deal is presented to the people in a referendem? Talk about dividing a country, forget about the physical boundries.

Just think about if they present a deal like Klein suggests, and I personally think it's all semantics as it's been done long ago, at anyrate, we vote yes, civil war, we vote no, the world will come down on us. My question is, do we preempt this or let it all play out and be in the defensive mode? If it where any other president, I would just go away in time, but this one is not intent in letting the 'Israel' problem just go away.

7/24/2013 6:12 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Because of the internal Likud politics, I don't even think that it will come to a vote. After the Likud Primaries following his Gaza Surrender, Bibi has no latitude to negotiate and no latitude to slime his way through these negotiations which leave him in control of his own party. The Gaza War, Surrender, and its Likud Primary result back between the 1st and 12th of Kislev was one of those blessings from Heaven. In a little over a month we will have an idea how far the external enemy will be allowed to go. But yes, they are coming after us, but don't be frightened.

7/24/2013 8:52 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

In short, Shilo, internal Likud resistance to Netanyahu's wavering ways will cause the external enemies to react. Bibi can no longer rely on Dan Meridor or Michael Eitan to lean on making it easier for him to cave. Samkel Power just was confirmed as the US UN Ambassador. Things are moving like lightning now.

7/24/2013 10:11 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

When G-d Confirms Our Truth In response to the latest Arab and Muslim Outrage and Threat

Tidbit PS: About the royal bris, the Queen's minhag is/was to have all royal boy babies given a bris as babies; unfortunately this was ignored by Princess Diana.

7/24/2013 1:07 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Glenn gave an amazing speech at CUFI Tues evening in DC, plus 100K for their efforts on campuses in America.

The video can be seen from youtube at Glenn's Speech. It's also on my blog Habayitah

7/24/2013 5:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isiah (40:17): "All the nations are as nothing before him, they are accounted by him as less than nothing and emptiness."

What will remain of all their arrogance ?

Arrogance and lies make the world go round ?

We will live and see, again, soon.

7/24/2013 8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new prince is named George...

7/24/2013 10:42 PM  
Anonymous Mangabey said...

In the light ofRabbi Nir BVen Artzi's latest message, see this:

And on the eve of a massive X-tian pilgrimage as well...

7/25/2013 12:45 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I should just let people know that most of Mr. Beck's quotes are from the Hebrew Scriptures, but one of his quotes is from the New Testament. Obviously, the speech is coming from a Xtian perspective.

I was debating posting it myself. I decided not to because I saw the speech coming from a Xtian/Mormon perspective. Yet, there is a lot of good things in this speech about Truth and decency.

I had these remarks prepared if I was going to post it:

Mormons don't believe in a rapture. So they have an idea about what is just around the corner, not something that is years away. Their guy, Yoshke, ain't coming back, but every Mormon who can afford it is prepared with a 3 year supply of non-perishable food. If only Jews in America would have a 3 month supply in a country location amidst righteous gentiles with proper firearms and bullets to protect it....if you can't make Aliyah.

Xtians who can put their common decency before their eschatology will have a favorable judgement in this world and the World to Come. I would also strongly advise them to NOT harvest Jewish souls to their man-god or to their vision of salvation. Love us for who we are, and we will love them for who they are. I recognize that Glenn is likely one who can do that. We will see how many others can do the same when the time comes to reject the Yoshke cult. For many this will be harder for some than others, depending on how importantly they view decency and Truth which can be rationally derived by first recognizing an Infinite Being who runs the entire show. The whole Yoshke belief system is not rationally derived from positing the existence of Nature's G-d. The 7 Noachide Laws on the other hand can be rationally derived from this. It will never make any sense to me that something that cannot be rationally derived by studying nature and positing the existence of G-d would ever be incumbent for others new to it to ever believe it. Torah from Sinai is different since the entire nation of Israel stood there. We are not taking the word of 12 Apostles or 500 men who are not our ancestors.

7/25/2013 2:20 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

This is too painful beyond description. There should be no concessions to these animals to start talks. I pray that someone stands their ground before letting these animals go.

Bereaved Parents of Murdered Kids whose Murderers Might be Set Free

I am sure that King Shaul was threatened with Samkel Power not using her veto at the UNSC to send troops to Israel to enforce the pre-1967 borders. Yet, this is where someone with emunah in HaShem needs to stand his/her ground.

7/25/2013 7:16 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Presidents' ... Conference Exec Vice Pres Malcolm Hoenlein plus a Rabbi I do not recognize were in the front row of the CUFI Conference. These are the only non-Jews who see the importance of supporting/defending Jews and the State of Israel when in "need."

Glenn's good heart leads him to be a prophet for the Xtians (and humanity as he sees it) [in no way a Bilaam! unless thoroughly redeemed]. It is not a bad thing to have some 'other' friends.

I believe G-d has given the nations their own religions as a way of worshiping based on their national personalities (described at the giving of the Torah when offered to them) and the truly sincere among them will recognize the true G-d when He makes the world aware; these may be the righteous among the nations that serve the Jews in the time of the Third Beis HaMikdash.

The early Americans, as Glenn demonstrated, were encouraged and inspired by the Jewish Biblical narrative. They truly were righteous gentiles with grand designs for a nation. The State Buildings in many a US State have Jewish biblical depictions frescoed into their ceilings. However, we know there is no "good" without a little "bad" mixed in, and thus the checkered history, and disintegration of a once g-dly America. The remnants are in trouble, and they need Glenn to inspire them.

When one reads about the goings on in our own country, astonishment comes to mind daily.

Already not yet 24 hours, with the new chief Rabbis, already comes talk of political threats for the national religious to beware. Vengeance is in the air. Where is the reconciliation and working together for achdus. This achdus is what Moshiach is waiting for.

7/25/2013 8:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov Bar Leib, How do you know with such certainty that the 14th or 15th Ellul is judgement day? I have heard these predictions so many times already! We really do not fully understand the ways of Hashem.

7/25/2013 10:47 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Oh My L-rd: First I wrote that the Medrash Sefer Eliyahu said the 20th of Ellul which means that it could refer to the 20th of 21st of Ellul this year, not the 15th or 16th of Ellul. Secondly I simply sourced four different sources from the Talmud to the Medrash to the Zohar VaYeira to weave it all together. And thirdly I said that we know nothing for sure and that we should simply put those dates on our watch list as a distinct possibility. No one especially me said anything is for sure!!!!

7/25/2013 12:15 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I refer to my comments above:

Do I have to repeat it?

AGAIN THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION for this year specifically. The medrash of course mentions a time and date with no year, but the circumstantial evidence along with sources in the Talmud Yerushalmi, Talmud Bavli Niddah 38, the Medrash Sefer Eliyahu, and the Zohar VaYeira 119 and the UN vote on the 15th of Kislev for Palestine (138 - 9) is piling up. Put these dates, 20th or the 21st of Ellul, on your watch list.

Notice I say that this is not specifically a prediction for this year, and to put these dates on your watch list. Where am I saying anything with such certainty??

7/25/2013 12:23 PM  
Anonymous Meir M. said...

Defying US warnings of civil war, Egyptian military to crack down on armed protest and mounting terrorism

Israel too should defy the Obama administration and do what needs to be done for the best of People of Israel and the Land of Israel.

7/25/2013 1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CDG, Yerushalayim:

@Anonymous, 7/25/2013 10:47 AM

No, Reb Dov said nothing to be taken as a prediction. However, I went to the Sefer Eliyahu link, read the page and have put a note on my calendar to watch the dates Elul 20 & 21. Nothing more. It might not be this year.

I ran into a rabbanit neighbor of mine, whom I have not seen in a while, yesterday. She told me she sees events leading up to something - and as far as I know she is not a blog reader.

IMHO & experience, it is easier to turn a question mark into an exclamation point than the reverse. Better to be watching than not.

7/25/2013 1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I have been reading this with some interest. One comment: Most of the premise for Elul is base on the UN vote on palestine in Kislev to give them 'observer state' status. I personally think that this is only an INDIRECT/IMPLICIT dividing of Yerushalayim and not an DIRECT/EXPLICIT dividing. I read here that there is such a plan in the 'peace negotiations' to do just that. The way I see it is: Israel do not agree to terms of negotiations. THEN the UN comes together and 'force' their view of what they think is fair (i.e. described here in comments about Har Habayit, 'West Bank', etc of how to divide it) Once this explicit UN vote has been taken, then I think we can start doing the counting as describe by Dov Bar-Leib. ....Like I said, this is only my humble opinion.

7/25/2013 2:34 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Only the beginning, "Israel, Palestinians to launch talks Tuesday![ but in "secrecy" so there is no eruption in Bayit Yehudi et al]
Minister Livni, Attorney Molcho to meet with PA negotiator Erekat in Washington under cloak of secrecy. Government scheduled to vote on prisoner release, referendum bill on Sunday. 'It takes three to tango in Middle East,' says PM Netanyahu

7/25/2013 2:50 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Boaz: Actually it was a pretty explicit vote on the 15th of Kislev. Recognizing Palestine as an observer nation in the General Assembly was to recognize it with what should have been its pre-67 borders intact, including the Old City and the Temple Mt. in its hands. Of course there never was a Palestine in 1948. Jordan took control of Yesha and East Jerusalem for 19 years. When the PLO was founded in 1964, it was trying to liberate Haifa, Yafo, BeerSheva, and Tiverya and West Jerusalem too. So the recognition of Palestine by the UN definitely included everything that is beyond the Green Line and perhaps a lot more too.

The one aspect of the General Assembly resolution that was not explicit was the power to enforce the decision by brute force. I am not denying that that might be coming soon. Yet, that requires a vote in the UN Sec. Council and a vote of Yea or abstention by Samkel Power.

7/25/2013 7:42 PM  
Blogger LondonMale said...

Wild speculation, but has it occurred to anyone else that the foreign armies which are prophesised to possibly (if we get the bad end of the prophecy) occupy Israel and divide Jerusalem for around nine months, might come by "accident?".

The scenario I suggest, purely as a talking point, is as follows.
The Syrian conflict continues to spill over into Lebanon and Iraq...a wider Sunni vs Shia conflict.
A limited number of American troops are deployed, and a hellish mess of combat firefights draw them into "friendly fire" casualties on the very rebels they are meant to support.

All sides turn on the Americans, and the Russians get involved too, initially defensively to defend their interests, but then to help the Americans after Obama pleads for help to Putin.

The Americans attempt to get to safety across the Israeli border, but are pursued by rebel forces and the conflict spreads to the Golan.

All Syrian and Jihadi forces then join in, the combat occurs on Israeli soil, and spreads to Jerusalem, where American and Russian troops take up defensive positions. Turkish, German and French troops cross the Turkish border to try to attack the Jihadis from the North, and further chaos ensues?

Shabbat Shalom

7/26/2013 4:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, the rebels or jihad forces are not that strong....
Any force in Israel will be deliberate. It might be that America is judged by Hashem (after they played their part in the 'occupation' force to enforce some palestine state borders) and that after that America is not a factor anymore (due to internal problems and turmoil) and Russia seizes the opportunity to expand its interest and attack Israel (the forces from the north).
....but jihad and rebel forces so strong that Americans retreat even to Jerusalem, .... they are gorliia fighters not an army, even the South African defence force will wipe them in a couple of days.

7/26/2013 11:13 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

They will all gather against each other in Syria. Russia (Meshech and Tuval) is there. Put (Libyan, Tunisian, and Algerian Al Qaeda forces) is there. Persia is there. NATO (Turkey/Togarmah, Gomer(Germany and France)) are not yet engaged. Apparently Turkey and NATO will not fully engage until there is an existential threat to Turkey. Over 200,000 Syrian refugees in Turkey are not enough for Turkey to risk being invaded by Russia and Persia on two separate fronts. But alas there is Syrian Kurdistan. And the Kurds are strong enough to consolidate in Syria too. The Kurds in northern Iraq are already strong. Now the Kurds in Eastern Turkey have awakened... The Kurdish independence consolidation seems to scare Erdogan more than anything else that has occurred up to this moment in time. Any "action" by Turkey will be backed by the full force of NATO.

Shabbat Shalom

7/26/2013 12:04 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

Shabbat Shalom to Dov and Family
Bo Shabbos
Bo Menucha

7/26/2013 1:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With Korea in shabbos twilight and your flag colors theory I came across this. A blue and white unification flag for the Koreas used at several Olympic and other sport events where a single unified team marched in the opening ceremonies. Interesting as it shares the techelis blue and white color with Israel and our island friends in Micronesia.

7/26/2013 1:14 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

For anyone who wants to circle the Gregorian dates for the 20th and the 21st of Elul, they are August 26th and 27th this year, G-d willing. Part of the significance of that time is that summer vacations will be over, and all those who made Aliyah during the summer will be here already since the summer is the most common time to make the big move. (It is the first summer after Hurricane Sandy which may have been the last warning and a kick in the pants to leave or to find appropriate shelter from the coming storm.) There will be way over 6 million Jews in Eretz Yisrael at the time.

7/26/2013 1:26 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I forgot to mention that the 6 million Jews here include all those with tourist Visas who learn here all year long. Some of them right now are out of the country for Bein HaZmanim until Rosh Chodesh Elul.

7/26/2013 1:33 PM  
Blogger Chaim Zalmon said...

May I point out that the dates that are mentioned in this part seem off (the UN vote 5 days earlier) (Obama's visit was 8 days earlier (that is when he left). the Midrash does not speak like we would think, but a lot of the things mention seem to fit (along with other sources). Better to not take a chance.

Does anyone know of any programs in Israel that give people training in English on doing care giving?

7/26/2013 10:38 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The UN votes to divide Jerusalem and the rest of Eretz Yisrael were both on November 29th, one in 1947 and one in 2012. This past November 29th was the 15th of Kislev 5773. So it is right on the mark. Obviously it was no accident that the UN General Assembly chose that Gregorian date. The problem of course in 1947 is that there never had been an Arab Palestine in 1300 years of Muslim history. It was a myth needing creative minds to come up with a history for an invented people.

I will let those who know about programs in Israel for English speakers offer an answer to your question.

7/27/2013 9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CDG, Yerushalayim:

Number of Terrorists to be Freed Grows to 104

There is NO justification for this. Once Obama refused to release Jonathan Pollard, all bets should have been off. No wonder at all that Israel isn't taken seriously.


7/27/2013 10:47 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

just responded on my newest post. I think that there will be a Likud showdown this week no matter which way this vote goes tomorrow. There are a large majority of Likud MKs who are ready to dump Bibi now. This is about to get messy.

7/27/2013 11:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dov, i am praying for the three missing boys and have sent out to orth j prayer lists and friends. i cant understand how they could have had the gay parade there on friday. and if i am not mistaken its the start of the yahrzeit of judah ben yaacov.
apart from that, gays and all the wrong things do exist in mus countries. but i have never seen a gay parade in any mus country. how could this happen in the holiest place on earth.

6/14/2014 5:07 AM  

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