Thursday, June 01, 2006

Esau's Angel Has Fled to Batzrah (Basra)

Here is a reprint of a response to a recent letter from a friend of this blog:

Since the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, when Gog Sr. stopped at the outskirts of Basra and permitted 2 Babylonian divisions to return to Baghdad, I knew that the second Gog would be back to place Babylon under his thumb. In 1994 when he became Governor of Texas, I knew he was the second Gog. Yechezkel repeats himself in chapters 38 and 39, hinting that there would be two men named Gog. Until Gog W. became Governor, there was no way of knowing that the second Gog would be the son of the first one. Yet, every Shabbat since March 1991 when the Gulf War ended, I have made it a point to sing Droch Pura B'Toch Batzrah VeGam Bavel Asher Gavrah (Tread the winepress in the city of Batzrah {Cause Edom's blood to flow there} and also in Babylon which arose with strength.) This is, of course from the third verse of Dror Yikrah, by tenth century Baghdad poet Donash ibn Labrat who understood that the last war between Edom and Yishmael would lead to the destruction of both, Yishmael in Baghdad and Edom in Batzrah.

The real source to all this lies literally "In the Beginning". On the third day of Creation G-d planted a garden in the eastern half of Eden. (According to Dr. Gerald Schroeder's calculation in The Science of G-d using the General Theory of Relativity, the remaining three days of Creation elapsed over two billion of our years. Of course, these were three 24 hour days by G-d's clock since he fills the universe with His Glory, but His clock ticks one million million times more slowly than our terrestrial clocks in accordance with Einstein's Theory. Therefore, since the third day of Creation took place over a two billion years between two to four billion years ago, the Garden, which exists even now if we could experience the passage of time as G-d's "Divine Presence" experiences it, has existed for at least 2 to 3 billion of our years.) This is important to understand what came next. See my article from last year on this subject.

The text of the Bible is very straightforward but puzzling. And HaShem, G-d, caused to sprout from the ground every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food; also the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden, and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Here comes the puzzling part. The Torah spends the next four pasukim discussing four rivers that issue from Gan Eden. Only then does the Torah bother to tell us that oh by the way about that tree of knowledge of good and evil: On the day you eat of it, you shall surely die.

Rav Shimshon Raphael Hirsch on verse seven dealing with the breathing of Man's neshama into his nostrils explains to us the reason why there is this interlude in the text about the four rivers. In the Torah itself G-d always introduces the tikun (the repair) into the world before the sin. Therefore G-d placed into these four rivers the mineral wealth of repairing the sin of Adam HaRishon. Here another problem arises. The Torah only tells us about the mineral wealth associated with the River Pishon. The good gold is for hashra'at Shekhina (induction of the Divine Presence) on a bed of gold between the Cherubim. The onyx is for Aharon and his descendants to feel the pain and ecstasy of every Jew as the Kohen Hagadol goes about his avodah (Divine service), literally carrying the onyx on his shoulders as the he carries out his daily tasks. These two minerals are therefore integral in returning the world to a Gan Eden existence.

The problem arises with the remaining three rivers. They are mentioned with no mineral wealth associated with them. Chazal (our Sages of the Ages) tell us the Euphrates is mentioned in association with the final borders of Eretz Yisrael, but this does not explain why the Torah seems at first glance to waste print with regards to the Gihon (Ganges) and the Hiddekel (Tigris). For this we need to skip forward 2200 years to when Yakov and Esau received their blessings.

It is with regards to the blessings of Yakov and Esau that we get the keys which unlocks why these remaining three rivers are mentioned if the principle reason for mentioning all four of them is to show us how we can return to a Gan Eden existence. Yakov is told that "Elokim will give you from the dew of heaven and the fat/oil of the earth." There are three things to recognize about this verse.

1. Yakov would get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore he would suffer for his sins in this world so that he would be certain to have a place in the World to Come.

2. Yakov principally gets his blessing from the dew, which emanates from the mouth of G-d. Where there is no dew, he gets no blessing. Everything for Yakov emanates from the dew.

3. The Torah leaves us with a double entendre'. Mishmanei ha'aretz can either mean from the shumanei ha'aretz (fats of the earth) or from the shamnei ha'aretz (oils of the earth). For Yakov Avinu there is no question. Since the shuman (fat) is dependent on the dew for its purpose, the Torah is referencing the fats of the earth which gives forth its blessing dependent on the dew.

Esau swaggers in, begs his father for one blessing, and he receives the following: From the fats/oils of the earth you will receive a dwelling and from the dew of heaven above. The two differences stick out like a brilliant flash.

1. Esau does not get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore, he will not suffer for his sins in this world. Therefore, he may lose his world to come by not being chastised down here.

2. His bracha is reversed! Therefore, even though he does get reward for the good that he does through dew, his blessing for the oil of the earth is not contingent upon his receiving dew. When he deserves blessing, the dew comes to water the fatness of the earth, but Rashi says that even if he is a total rasha (wicked person) with no more merits for the dew, he will still receive from the oil of the earth. Notice that here the double entendre' matters, for without the blessing of water from heaven, he will either depend upon irrigation for the the fat of the earth, or it does not mean fat at all. When it does not mean fat of the earth, it means oil of the earth a.k.a. bubbling crude.

At this point I would need to explain why I believe the end of Esau's bracha came during the Clinton years, but Shabbat is approaching and I must go.

Just food for thought. The Pishon tells us about the tikun to build Olam Haba (World to Come). The other three rivers are the source for the principle mineral wealth of this world. Therefore the Torah which is interested in building Olam Haba does not tell us about the mineral wealth of the other three rivers. The principle mineral wealth for two of the remaining three rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates, is of course 55% of the world's sweet oil reserves. These reserves are located along the banks of these two rivers in northern and central Iraq and of course at the mouth of these two rivers as they enter the Persian Gulf. This is why, except for Iraq itself, most of the Persian Gulf oil is close to the coast of the Gulf. The city which is at the confluence of these two rivers of Eden as they enter the Persian Gulf is of course Basra. Whoever controls the confluence of two rivers which exist to bestow the world with an existence before Mashiach comes can try to dictate terms to others about how they should run their affairs in Olam HaZeh (this world where the wicked are rewarded for the good that they do and where the righteous suffer for their few sins). Gog W. and Blair have come to do just that.

The fact that the oil is "sweet" requires a scientific explanation. In the course of my research on this subject I came across an intriguing fact about oil fossilization. When ancient mulch contains a high concentration of dead animal decay, the resulting fossilized crude will have a high percentage of the high melting point oils. It is therefore not desirable as a source for the more highly volatile, low melting point gasolines which power Western Civilization. Crude oil which is fossilized over eons is considered "sweet" and desirable for energy when the original mulch had negligible amounts of dead animal products. Since these two rivers come from Gan Eden where animals do not die but trees natuarally shed their leaves, one would expect that the original organic mulch would have a non-existent amount of animal decay in it. Therefore, Persian Gulf oil is some of the sweetest oil on the planet. Secondly, the Torah tells us that the river which waters the Garden of Eden goes way underground to become the source of the four rivers, placing the organic waste under intense heat and pressure in an oxygen starved environment. This environment of anaerobic heat and pressure favored oil production over coal production when the organic decay fossilized. G-d has been setting up the conditions of Edom's destruction for a long, long time.

The geulah process is unfolding before our eyes, and I have to finish planting my tree of becoming a teacher. What a bummer! I am figuring that he (Gog) will not attack Iran until at least September or October when night cover for air raids becomes lengthier. America does very well when it starts its air wars as the nights are getting longer and longer. If a ground assault becomes necessary, which is probably the case, Gog W. would like to wait until Spring when it stops raining. If on the other hand, he is expecting to need to launch a ground invasion almost immediately, then you are right, and hostilities are imminent. My reading of Debka.com which is right about 90% of the time is that he wants to begin the air war in the dead of winter (Chanukah?) allowing for a possible ground invasion in the Spring. Yet, you are right. The British are scared to death of this one. Both passages in Isaiah describe exactly the end of Edom's malkhut. I did an entire blog on Isaiah 34 called "Let the Skies Roll Up." The destruction in Basra there is quickly followed by a description of massive oil fires:

Its Rivers will be filled with tar and the soil to sulfur, and its land will become burning tar. Night and day it will not be extinguished; its smoke will ascend forever. (Isaiah 34)

It appears that Red "Edom" Adair who has now passed on has no replacement. He put out the oil fires in the first Gulf War for a million dollars a well. For some reason noone will put the fires out this time. It will no longer be worth a million bucks for each well. By the way the preceeding verse to the above passage tells us why Edom's angel is being slain in Basra: For it is a day of vengeance for HaShem, a year of retribution for the grievance of Zion.

The Talmud in Makkos in the perek of Eilu hen hagolin discusses in detail the ins and outs of a negligent murderer who can flee to a city of refuge. There Reish Lakish makes a striking prediction which you can take to the bank. He says that at the End of Days, the angel of Rome will make three mistakes.

1. He will flee to Basra thinking that it provides refuge like Betzer which is one of the six cities of refuge for negligent but unintentional murderers.

2. An angel like a man can find refuge in a city of refuge. (This is of course not true.)

3. One who has murdered intentionally (bemayzid) can find refuge like one who has murdered unintentionally (beshogaig). This is of course absurd. One who murders intentionally is liable for the death penalty. One can pursue such a murderer into the city of refuge, put him on trial, and if found guilty execute him.

Prior to WW2 every country in the world closed their doors to Jews escaping continental Europe. Yet, a gentile is not obligated in Chesed. Believe it or not, their refusal to provide refuge was not a crime that could be tried in the Heavenly Court. There is one glaring exception to this. The country that closed the door to Eretz Yisroel was not closing the door to its own country. It was closing the door to the land which was given by the Creator to the people that were seeking refuge. That country that shut the door in 1939 was of course Great Britain. By closing the door to our own home, they became partners with Hitler. They of course claimed that they were ignorant of the goings on in Europe during the war. Therefore they were only "shogaig" or negligent. You and I and the Eibishter know very well that the British were fully appraised of the Holocaust while it was happening. They were Hitler's fully cognizant partner in the Crime of intentional mass murder. Whatever happens in Basra, the British have it coming to them.

22 Comments:

Blogger Akiva said...

Dov, right as you wrote this, this came out:

State of Emergency Declared in Basra.

Chag Samayach!

6/01/2006 4:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://moshail.blogspot.com/

May be it will take a little longer? Chag Sameach.

6/01/2006 11:42 AM  
Blogger Rabbi Moshe Yess said...

BS"D

The Epochal significance and importance of Dov's latest post cannot be overstated. It should be mandatory study in every yeshiva in this world. With each reading of it new and deeper insights arise that take days to fully absorb due to the magnitude, profundity and depth of what has just been revealed. It is a privilege and an absolute honor for myself to have been witness to this. Dov...my deepest thanks. May Hashem continue His bountiful Blessings upon you and yours and upon all who appreciate the insights you have shared with us.

May you continue to go from strength to strength.

Rabbi Moshe Yess

6/01/2006 2:18 PM  
Anonymous Hugo said...

The Epochal significance and importance of Dov's latest post cannot be overstated.

if it's correct,...

6/02/2006 10:21 AM  
Blogger Yaakov Nathan said...

Interesting reading as always, but a couple of points need correction:

1) "His clock ticks one million million times more slowly than our terrestrial clocks"
Aside from the tremendous suppositions such claims are based on it, it goes against psat. The posuk says "elef shanim b'eiecha k'yom etmol..." What takes a thousand years in this world is one of Hashem's days. That's pshat. A look into kabbalah and Chassidus will reveal that this is true to such a degree that the 6,000 years of this world (plus "echad chruv") are not only "k'neged" the original six days of Creation, they are taking place within those six days mamash. Schroeder is clever, but da'as balabatim heipech l'Torah.

2) Referring to Yaakov, "Where there is no dew, he gets no blessing." I'm not sure what you mean to say by this. But chazal tell us that dew doesn't cease, it is not dependent on our avodah (in distinction to rain, which falls as a result of the spiritual efforts of the Jewish people). Dew is a moshol for pnimiyus haTorah, the level of Torah that is the "dew" that will revive the dead.

6/04/2006 5:53 AM  
Blogger Rabbi Moshe Yess said...

BS"D

To Hugo and whomever else is reading,

While there have been numerous occasions in prior Jewish history where Sages have launched a “Moshiach is happening now” message…only to be disproved thereafter…our present context is unique in and of itself. Events directly related to Moshiach (according to Sacred Jewish Sources) have occurred which have not occurred in prior periods of such hyped expectations. My point being that our present circumstance has much evidence to support the premises in Dov’s latest post. This is a facts-heavy circumstance…not a hype-heavy circumstance.

For starters the Kaballah references the opening of the wellsprings and fountains of upper and lower wisdom prior to Moshiach arrival. This corresponds to the middle (circa 1840) of the Industrial Revolution for the lower wisdom unfolding as predicted just prior to Moshiach’s arrival and of course Chassidus for the Upper Wisdom.

The first citation about Moshiach that Rambam brings in his Laws of Kings 11:4 is the promised ingathering of Jews to the Holy Land. In the past 2000 years approximately…. that has begun only as of 1948 forwards in terms of serious numbers.

While the above two can be attributed to interpretive scholarship the next one has absolute Halachic weight way and above any Scholastic interpretations. I refer, of course, to the Lubavitcher Rebbe, a self declared and known Novi Emes (true Prophet) who stated as a clear and certain Prophecy circa 1991:- “Immediately to the Redemption! Behold! There! Moshiach approaches!” Laws of the Foundations of the Torah chapter 7 states that a true Prophet must be believed and obeyed.

We look at Yoma 10A and read its reference to a war involving Paras and Edom to occur prior to Moshiach’s delayed arrival and then look at today’s headlines and we find a match that only the blind cannot see with America’s present conflict with Iran that is surely heading to war. War plans have already been drawn up by the Pentagon.

It comes woven within the Moshiach package of various End of Days Prophecies that the Gog Magog phenomenon occurs concurrently. We can ascertain Gog’s actual existence (as foretold to his being part and parcel of the greater Moshiach context) once that Moshiach context has been firmly established.

For myself the coup de grace is the present Basra fighting. The Rebbe referenced Basra specifically and joined it to Isaiah 63:1. In addition Isaiah 34:6 points to Basra as being “show time”.

No prior Jewish generation has had this much “stuff” actually on the table which matches ancient Moshiach Prophecies.

Unfortunately our people are kinda sloooooowwww. It took 50 years after the Guttenberg Printing Press was invented until we had the first printed Chumash. No doubt 50 years from now there will still be doubters that dispute the fact that we have arrived at End of Days. People believe what they want to….most of the time….regardless of evidence to the contrary.

Rabbi Moshe Yess

6/04/2006 9:21 AM  
Blogger Rabbi Moshe Yess said...

BS”D

QUOTE: Schroeder is clever, but da'as balabatim heipech l'Torah.

QUOTE: Interesting reading as always, but a couple of points need correction:

There is a well known fact that many revolutions against oppressive regimes only end up being their replacements…if not worse. Fidel Castro is more similar to Batista (the former Cuban dictator he overthrew) than Castro would care to admit.

Approximately 250 years ago Judaism had gotten itself into deep trouble. A Rabbinic elite class had managed to gain more than majority control over all matters pertaining to Torah. The ignorant Jewish masses were kept under their thumbs and the general impression amongst the unlearned masses was that only the privileged Torah Scholars would get into Heaven while the unfortunate unlearned Jewish masses would just have to stew in and accept their “lowliness”.
To remedy this truly sick elitism the Baal Shem Tov came on the scene to promote the intrinsic value of simple Jews, the value of their prayers and the value of serving Hashem with joy…providing relief and remedy for the feelings of low self worth which the Rabbinic elite were indeed promoting to maintain their grip over power.

Any form of elitism is antithetical to Torah true Judaism.

Micah 6:8

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.

Having done between 40 and 60 Jewish concerts annually on 5 continents over a 25 year period I have had much opportunity to compare and contrast various self evident problems affecting the numerous armed camps that compromise Orthodox Judaism. How sad it was to listen as one Lithuanian Yeshiva claimed that it’s Torah learning abilities “greatly surpassed” another Lithuanian Yeshiva elsewhere. And of the 35 or so different Chassidic groups derived from the Baal Shem Tov how sad it was to see the animosity between them. Most upsetting of all were the delusions of grandeur that various armed Orthodox camps imagined themselves to be privy to. The giveaway word, of course, is the word “real”….as in “we are the real Chassidim” or “we are the real learners.”

Such elitist statements reflect the very antithesis of what both Micah and the Baal Shem Tov taught.

QUOTE: Schroeder is clever, but da'as balabatim heipech l'Torah.

For those who do not understand allow me to roughly translate this. “da'as balabatim heipech l'Torah” means approximately that the [Torah] understanding of heads of Jewish households is opposite to Torah.”

I find this statement to be the very reincarnation of the Rabbinic elitism that Chassidus came along to rectify 250 years ago. Anyone who is a head of a Jewish household is (by the provided axiomatic definition) opposite to Torah’s true meaning which only us “real” Jewish Torah scholars are privy to. Give me a break…puuleeeze..

QUOTE: Interesting reading as always, but a couple of points need correction:

A respectful presentation of a belief or point contrary to what was posted here would have been “How does one resolve the ideas of Schroeder with the contrary statements that a thousand days…etc.?”

The very usage of the words “need correction” conveys to myself an attitude that the one providing the “correction” imagines that his personal grasp of any Torah matter is the “Kodesh Kodeshim” [Holies of Holies] of all possible truths.

I feel that an apology to both Dov and heads of Jewish households is in order here. Let’s return the current day practices of “Chassidus” back to the Teachings of the Baal Shem Tov.

Rabbi Moshe Yess

6/05/2006 12:01 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

My dearest Ya'akov:

I have a link from this blog entry on the word "subject" to my previous article "Science Slowly Catches Up With the Torah" in which I answer your very question. Rav Yitzkhak of Acco, a student and colleague of the Ramban performed his own calculation for the age of the universe where he assumed that every day for G-d was a seven thousand divine year cycle shmittah cycle, meaning at the end of six days of Creation the universe went through 42,000 divine years. Since each divine day is equal to 1000 human years, then a divine year is equal to 365,250 earthbound years. From this both Rav Yitzkhak, a contemporary of the Ramban, and Rav Aryeh Kaplan come to the same conclusion, that the universe is over 15 billion of our years old. Pasting Rav Yitzkhak's curve on the same graph as Dr. Shroeder's curve leaves us with amazing results. Rav Yitzkhak's curve is a straight horizontal line in which each day of Creation is approximately 2.5 billion years. Schroeder's curve drops off exponentially where the first day was 8 billion years and the sixth day was about 300-400 million years. Both curves cross during the third day when the Torah says ki tov (and it was good) twice. The areas under both curves are identical only at the end of six days when the Torah says that the Creation was very good. The same amt. of time therefore passes at the end of six days according to both calculations. I would agree with you that Rav Yitzkhak of Acco who was instrumental in bringing the Zohar to publication, Rav Aryeh Kaplan, and Dr. Gerald Schroeder, who lectures for Aish HaTorah worldwide, were and are very clever ba'alei batim.

Dr Schroeder is exacting to a tack. No where does he dispute the interpretations of Chazal, including the one which says that each 24 hour day of Creation was 24 hours long. It is just that in accordance with Einstein, those 24 hour days were 24 hours for the One who fills the created universe or for anyone else in that reference frame. Of course, G-d is above time, but somehow His essence has bound an aspect of who He is in time and space by filling the Universe with His Glory. Our local comparatively zero gravity reference frame experiences time a million million times more slowly. In both cases a minute is a minute and an hour is an hour. It is just His hours take place while we experience millions of years. No one said that Einstein was easy. He can be at least as difficult as a page of Talmud, although the Talmud is infinitely deeper. Both, though, Einstein and the Talmud take experts to understand fully.

I wish that large scale oil fossilization could take place over a few thousand years. It requires a much more ancient time frame. For us it is a process of 3 billion years in the making. For G-d it is only 3 1/2 of His 24 hour days, and I mean 24 hour days as He "experiences" it and as Adam and Chava experienced it until they were tossed out of His reference frame from Gan Eden.

Thank you for your comment about the dew. The only thing that I would add and ask is if it is going to happen anyway, why do both Esau and Yakov receive a special blessing for it. I believe that Chazal tell us that with the blessing of the dew, the dew will translate into bounty for both. Without a bracha, the dew will not give forth its blessing.

Thanks again.

6/05/2006 7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

R. Yess:

Your experiences are valuable to all Jews, especially now, it seems. I wonder if it would be asking too much to request, with respect, that share more with us on this subject--that is the conflicts within Orthodox Judaism. The purpose would not be to muddy waters, but to help everyone navigate. Maybe good came come from this kind of disclosure.

6/05/2006 10:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov,

Regarding the actions of the British vis a vis Jews attempting to enter Palestine, could you provide references? I am not questioning your research, rather I would like to read more about this slice of history. Took me awhile to do this with regard to Joe Kennedy.

Very best

6/05/2006 11:13 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

My point from before is obviously Rav Yitzkhak of Acco, Rav Aryeh Kaplan, and Dr. Schroeder are expressing Da'at Torah which is not opposed to the Torah

6/06/2006 8:01 AM  
Anonymous ben Shlomo said...

To the anonymous writer, or anyone else, who wants to know more about the Brits' perfidy in pre-state Israel, I would recomend you check out 'The British Record on Partition' at http://emperor.vwh.net/history/br.htm

6/06/2006 10:13 PM  
Blogger Rabbi Moshe Yess said...

BS"D

This is Dov's blog. It is not a forum for me to initiate entire new topics. The short answer to the above question is that divisiveness plagues all of Judaism...not just Orthodox Judaism. If you want more information email me at myess@charter.net

Rabbi Moshe Yess

6/06/2006 10:56 PM  
Anonymous Hugo said...

@R. Yess

What I said was not meant disrespectfully. I just as well want Moshiach to be here.

6/08/2006 6:22 PM  
Blogger Rabbi Moshe Yess said...

BS”D

I recall a scene from the old movie The Longest Day which was about the Normandy invasion in WWII. My laughter knew no bounds when I saw a solitary German soldier watching through humongous binoculars at the lifting fog which revealed the greatest naval armada in human history poised to come ashore.

This same soldier then cranks his phone and someone at headquarters in Berlin answers. The soldier lets out with “The Americans are here! They are here! I can see them!”.

The Berlin “intelligence” officer at the other end laughs…”Fritz! Are you drunk again? Our intelligence tells us that the Americans will be landing 80 miles north of you. Go sleep it off.”
(click).

When my Rebbe, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, stated that the arrival of Moshiach is no longer a dream of the distant future but is an imminent event and everyone should prepare for this event by learning about Moshiach from all classical Jewish Sacred Sources (including the Rebbe’s Discourses on this oft neglected topic) I did just that.

In spite of the fact that every male Jew who prays 3 times daily ends up requesting Moshiach from Hashem some 24,000 times per year in those prayers…we seem to be sorely lacking in our abilities to recognize what we have been (and are) praying for since prayers began.

This inability to recognize yet alone believe (in many cases) in Moshiach’s actual arrival is not due to any shortage of indicators provided by our Prophets of old… nor our great Sages of old. Let me put this rather bluntly…most Jews are just Moshiach-dumb!

In fact many if not most Jews have projected whatever their hearts desire on to the idea of Moshiach. Moshiach is some kind of free vending machine for whatever you want or think you need or want.

There is a “Disney” Moshiach and the actual Moshiach promised in Torah. We learn from RAMBAM that he will be a Jewish male King…not some type of angel or apparition. He will be of the House of David in lineage. He will be a tremendous Torah Scholar and personally pious beyond any criticism. He will repair the breaches in Torah observance amongst world Jewry. That’s the “portrait” of Moshiach, the man. He has much to do…including building the 3rd Holy Temple on its site and ingathering all Jews to the Holy Land.

So if someone thinks that Tinkerbell is coming to save world Jewry…think again.

In addition to Moshiach, the man, there is also Moshiach: the foreseen scenario of his arrival. I will leave that topic to our expert here, Dov.

Now allow me a little humor at Jewish incompetence. First of all there will be the committee to decide if another committee should be formed to deal with the topic of addressing whether it is proper and kosher to address the topic of yet another committee addressing the topic of the possibility that Moshiach signs are everywhere around us.

Then of course approbations will be gathered from several prominent Rabbeim to allow the committees’ findings to be made public. No doubt those politically opposed to any of the committees will immediately reject such declarations as treif and heresy. You will see countless posters on the walls of Mea Shearim with the blaring headline “Da’as Torah” as men in long black coats stroke their beards discussing whether Moshiach is good for the Jews.

The Reform will be too focused on their gay Rabbis’ rights as Jews to even notice that Moshiach is breaking out all around us. The Conservatives will be too focused on the upcoming ORT bazaar and how much money it will raise for the sisterhood of the shul.

Too many Lubavitchers will be involved in outreach (as the only kosher Chassidus) and the Litvaks will be too busy buying yet more books.

I was in S. Louis once as a guest in someone’s home. His wife got mad at me. She blurted out “What is wrong with you. Do you have to talk about Moshiach all the time! Why don’t you just learn and keep quiet about it.”

Out of respect I said nothing. (Plus I was Shabbos-bound in her home). But now I will reply many years later:

Madam…if you believe that we Jews were meant to remain in exile for infinity studying Talmud you are sadly, sadly mistaken. Now about your cooking…

Rabbi Moshe Yess

6/11/2006 3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reb Dov, could you please comment on the following?

http://moshiach.forumsplace.com/message210.html

Many thanks!

6/15/2006 12:10 AM  
Blogger vincent said...

One only needs to listen to the BBC World Service a couple of times during a given week to simply know Dov must be right because literally every other news item is about how bad the situation is for the "Palestinian" children who can't go to the beach unharmed or about how rude the Israeli soldiers are at the checkpoints and so on.
It means the world to me to be able to see the big picture or connection between the kabbalistic theory expanding bilions of years and words coming out of my radio spoken by someone who is probably either being paid for by the Saoudi's indirectly or in any case by the masonic British druglords themselves who are looking for a "civilized" way to get rid of Israel before HaShem puts them out of business for good !
Vincent M.

6/18/2006 4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yasher Koach to Dov on the depth and breadth of this topic and to those who comment with such sincerity and wisdom.

I feel compelled to add a couple of points of interest from the "Kol HaTor" attributed to the Vilna Gaon by his grand-nephew and disciple Rav Hillel, which speaks almost exclusively about Mashiach and in particular Mashiach ben Yoseph.

I find the following particularly interesting in that these comments are attributed to the GRA, who we do not generally associate with what we have come to attribute specifically to "Chassidic" or "Kabbalistic" thought.

1. The GRA concurs that the period of the "Seventh Day" corresponds to the year 5600 (1840) and that the "ingathering" begins shortly thereafter. He identifies this period as the inauguration of the footsteps of Mashiach introduced by Mashiach ben Yosef. The GRA also relates that other matters, relating to the "wellsprings", Pnimiyut Ha Torah and the confluence of science, technology and Torah also begin at this "dawn" of redemption.

2. The GRA makes the deduction that when Yosef was born, Yaacov was then able to overpower the Angel of Esav.

3. The GRA observes that the Gematria of Esav is equivalent to Shalom. (376) The implication being that one is mutually exclusive of the other: that when Esav's power and merit will be depleted, peace will reign.

Forgive me if I'm off point, but I thought this was interesting in light of some of the other comments.

6/19/2006 5:22 AM  
Blogger AharonBenjamin said...

"...According to Sfas Emes, lighting the menorah at the doorway demonstrated how the eight days of Chanukah are symbolically the 'door', the beginning of the Ultimate Redemption.

I respectfully suggest that it is time to once again for the Jews to light the menorah at the doorway and not on the table in the home. It is time to make the darkness glow and glow! As Chassidus teaches, the Jewish victory involved the transformation of darkness into light; the Chanukah candles refine and elevate the darkness of the public domain, causing it to shine with G-dly light!

The Rebbe, in his book Timeless Patterns in Time, Volume 1, says to the Jewish people, "...the Chanukah lights... teach us that when confronted with darkness, we must not resign ourselves to it. Nor may we remain content with lighting up our own homes. Instead, we must reach out and spread light as far as we possibly can, until the public domain too is illuminated."

Mishle (Proverbs) 6:23 teaches that "a mitzvah is a lamp and Torah is light." Chassidus teaches that every mitzvah is a lamp which lights up the darkness of our material world. And this is why I am continuing the theme of last month's ViewPoint: Until B'nei Noach are taught the halacha for the Sheva Mitzvot, they are not performing the mitzvot, and the light of Torah is not lighting up the darkness of our material world, G-d forbid.

May it please Hashem that the Orthodox Jews determine to fully learn and teach the complete Sheva Mitzvos to B'nei Noach today. Together, we can make the darkness glow and glow, and bring about the Ultimate Light, the Light of Moshiach. May this take place in the immediate future. "
http://webpages.charter.net/chavurathbneinoach/dec97view.html

6/25/2006 9:20 PM  
Anonymous shay said...

are you all insane? the lubavich rabbi was not a messiah -- he died, so get over it. and the world is not ending anytime soon. instead of useless conspirational arguments, perhaps you could contribute more to society?

especially if you live in israel, stop leeching off the government, stealing palestinian land, and endangering the lives of young, productive israeli youths who have to defend your reckless behaviour with their bodies and lives.

otherwise, stay behind when israel pulls out, and live on your 'holy' land and dont get us normal israelis involved with your mess anymore.

6/27/2006 2:35 AM  
Anonymous R. Dov's admirer said...

are you all insane?

NO, YOU ARE, IT JUST APPEARS THAT WAY BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD HAS GONE MAD, AND IN A CRAZY WORLD THE SANE ARE CALLED "INSANE"

the lubavich rabbi was not a messiah

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT, MAYBE HE IS, MAYBE NOT. BUT ACCORDING TO TORAH, HE COULD BE, BECAUSE MOSHIACH CAN COME FROM THE DEAD


-- he died, so get over it.

WHY SHOULD WE GET OVER IT, WE MISS HIM, AND CONTINUE TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTIVES AND WHEN MOSHIACH COMES (REGARDLES OF WHO HE IS) THE REBBE WILL COME BACK WITH ALL THE TZADIKIM

and the world is not ending anytime soon.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU, THE WORLD IS NOT "ENDING" IT IS JUST CHANGING

instead of useless conspirational arguments, perhaps you could contribute more to society?

WE CONTRIBUTE, WE WORK, STUDY, RAISE CHILDREN, PAY TUITION, GO TO THE ARMY, PRAY, ETC..

especially if you live in israel, stop leeching off the government,

THERE IS NO BIGGER LEACH THAN THE GOVERMENT

stealing palestinian land,

G-D GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS, ITS IN THE BIBLE. THE XTIANS BELIEVE IT, THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IT, WE BELIEVE IT.(YES WE KNOW YOU DON'T)

and endangering the lives of young, productive israeli youths who have to defend your reckless behaviour with their bodies and lives.

THE GOVERMENT IS ENDANGERING OUR LIVES WITH ITS CRAZY POLICIES

otherwise, stay behind when israel pulls out, and live on your 'holy' land and dont get us normal israelis involved with your mess anymore.

WE MIGHT JUST DO THAT...


Why did I bother answering you at all? I have no idea its just a waste of time, you will not accept any of my answers.

6/30/2006 7:42 AM  
Anonymous simplejew said...

to shay and Co., your argument was the exact same one people used when Moshe didn't come back from Har Sinai when they expected him. they said "he is dead, we need to deal with reality...." it wasn't long before the they were building the golden calf... i'm sure they truely believed in what they were saying/doing, but in the end we are still paying for their poor judgement.
be careful, while your argument may be sound to you (especially among the falsehood that we live in) it is taking you away from Torah, turning you against fellow jews, forcing you into a trap.

kind regards

7/02/2006 3:34 AM  

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