Esau's Angel Has Fled to Batzrah (Basra)
Here is a reprint of a response to a recent letter from a friend of this blog:
Since the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, when Gog Sr. stopped at the outskirts of Basra and permitted 2 Babylonian divisions to return to Baghdad, I knew that the second Gog would be back to place Babylon under his thumb. In 1994 when he became Governor of Texas, I knew he was the second Gog. Yechezkel repeats himself in chapters 38 and 39, hinting that there would be two men named Gog. Until Gog W. became Governor, there was no way of knowing that the second Gog would be the son of the first one. Yet, every Shabbat since March 1991 when the Gulf War ended, I have made it a point to sing Droch Pura B'Toch Batzrah VeGam Bavel Asher Gavrah (Tread the winepress in the city of Batzrah {Cause Edom's blood to flow there} and also in Babylon which arose with strength.) This is, of course from the third verse of Dror Yikrah, by tenth century Baghdad poet Donash ibn Labrat who understood that the last war between Edom and Yishmael would lead to the destruction of both, Yishmael in Baghdad and Edom in Batzrah.
The real source to all this lies literally "In the Beginning". On the third day of Creation G-d planted a garden in the eastern half of Eden. (According to Dr. Gerald Schroeder's calculation in The Science of G-d using the General Theory of Relativity, the remaining three days of Creation elapsed over two billion of our years. Of course, these were three 24 hour days by G-d's clock since he fills the universe with His Glory, but His clock ticks one million million times more slowly than our terrestrial clocks in accordance with Einstein's Theory. Therefore, since the third day of Creation took place over a two billion years between two to four billion years ago, the Garden, which exists even now if we could experience the passage of time as G-d's "Divine Presence" experiences it, has existed for at least 2 to 3 billion of our years.) This is important to understand what came next. See my article from last year on this subject.
The text of the Bible is very straightforward but puzzling. And HaShem, G-d, caused to sprout from the ground every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food; also the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden, and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Here comes the puzzling part. The Torah spends the next four pasukim discussing four rivers that issue from Gan Eden. Only then does the Torah bother to tell us that oh by the way about that tree of knowledge of good and evil: On the day you eat of it, you shall surely die.
Rav Shimshon Raphael Hirsch on verse seven dealing with the breathing of Man's neshama into his nostrils explains to us the reason why there is this interlude in the text about the four rivers. In the Torah itself G-d always introduces the tikun (the repair) into the world before the sin. Therefore G-d placed into these four rivers the mineral wealth of repairing the sin of Adam HaRishon. Here another problem arises. The Torah only tells us about the mineral wealth associated with the River Pishon. The good gold is for hashra'at Shekhina (induction of the Divine Presence) on a bed of gold between the Cherubim. The onyx is for Aharon and his descendants to feel the pain and ecstasy of every Jew as the Kohen Hagadol goes about his avodah (Divine service), literally carrying the onyx on his shoulders as the he carries out his daily tasks. These two minerals are therefore integral in returning the world to a Gan Eden existence.
The problem arises with the remaining three rivers. They are mentioned with no mineral wealth associated with them. Chazal (our Sages of the Ages) tell us the Euphrates is mentioned in association with the final borders of Eretz Yisrael, but this does not explain why the Torah seems at first glance to waste print with regards to the Gihon (Ganges) and the Hiddekel (Tigris). For this we need to skip forward 2200 years to when Yakov and Esau received their blessings.
It is with regards to the blessings of Yakov and Esau that we get the keys which unlocks why these remaining three rivers are mentioned if the principle reason for mentioning all four of them is to show us how we can return to a Gan Eden existence. Yakov is told that "Elokim will give you from the dew of heaven and the fat/oil of the earth." There are three things to recognize about this verse.
1. Yakov would get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore he would suffer for his sins in this world so that he would be certain to have a place in the World to Come.
2. Yakov principally gets his blessing from the dew, which emanates from the mouth of G-d. Where there is no dew, he gets no blessing. Everything for Yakov emanates from the dew.
3. The Torah leaves us with a double entendre'. Mishmanei ha'aretz can either mean from the shumanei ha'aretz (fats of the earth) or from the shamnei ha'aretz (oils of the earth). For Yakov Avinu there is no question. Since the shuman (fat) is dependent on the dew for its purpose, the Torah is referencing the fats of the earth which gives forth its blessing dependent on the dew.
Esau swaggers in, begs his father for one blessing, and he receives the following: From the fats/oils of the earth you will receive a dwelling and from the dew of heaven above. The two differences stick out like a brilliant flash.
1. Esau does not get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore, he will not suffer for his sins in this world. Therefore, he may lose his world to come by not being chastised down here.
2. His bracha is reversed! Therefore, even though he does get reward for the good that he does through dew, his blessing for the oil of the earth is not contingent upon his receiving dew. When he deserves blessing, the dew comes to water the fatness of the earth, but Rashi says that even if he is a total rasha (wicked person) with no more merits for the dew, he will still receive from the oil of the earth. Notice that here the double entendre' matters, for without the blessing of water from heaven, he will either depend upon irrigation for the the fat of the earth, or it does not mean fat at all. When it does not mean fat of the earth, it means oil of the earth a.k.a. bubbling crude.
At this point I would need to explain why I believe the end of Esau's bracha came during the Clinton years, but Shabbat is approaching and I must go.
Just food for thought. The Pishon tells us about the tikun to build Olam Haba (World to Come). The other three rivers are the source for the principle mineral wealth of this world. Therefore the Torah which is interested in building Olam Haba does not tell us about the mineral wealth of the other three rivers. The principle mineral wealth for two of the remaining three rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates, is of course 55% of the world's sweet oil reserves. These reserves are located along the banks of these two rivers in northern and central Iraq and of course at the mouth of these two rivers as they enter the Persian Gulf. This is why, except for Iraq itself, most of the Persian Gulf oil is close to the coast of the Gulf. The city which is at the confluence of these two rivers of Eden as they enter the Persian Gulf is of course Basra. Whoever controls the confluence of two rivers which exist to bestow the world with an existence before Mashiach comes can try to dictate terms to others about how they should run their affairs in Olam HaZeh (this world where the wicked are rewarded for the good that they do and where the righteous suffer for their few sins). Gog W. and Blair have come to do just that.
The fact that the oil is "sweet" requires a scientific explanation. In the course of my research on this subject I came across an intriguing fact about oil fossilization. When ancient mulch contains a high concentration of dead animal decay, the resulting fossilized crude will have a high percentage of the high melting point oils. It is therefore not desirable as a source for the more highly volatile, low melting point gasolines which power Western Civilization. Crude oil which is fossilized over eons is considered "sweet" and desirable for energy when the original mulch had negligible amounts of dead animal products. Since these two rivers come from Gan Eden where animals do not die but trees natuarally shed their leaves, one would expect that the original organic mulch would have a non-existent amount of animal decay in it. Therefore, Persian Gulf oil is some of the sweetest oil on the planet. Secondly, the Torah tells us that the river which waters the Garden of Eden goes way underground to become the source of the four rivers, placing the organic waste under intense heat and pressure in an oxygen starved environment. This environment of anaerobic heat and pressure favored oil production over coal production when the organic decay fossilized. G-d has been setting up the conditions of Edom's destruction for a long, long time.
The geulah process is unfolding before our eyes, and I have to finish planting my tree of becoming a teacher. What a bummer! I am figuring that he (Gog) will not attack Iran until at least September or October when night cover for air raids becomes lengthier. America does very well when it starts its air wars as the nights are getting longer and longer. If a ground assault becomes necessary, which is probably the case, Gog W. would like to wait until Spring when it stops raining. If on the other hand, he is expecting to need to launch a ground invasion almost immediately, then you are right, and hostilities are imminent. My reading of Debka.com which is right about 90% of the time is that he wants to begin the air war in the dead of winter (Chanukah?) allowing for a possible ground invasion in the Spring. Yet, you are right. The British are scared to death of this one. Both passages in Isaiah describe exactly the end of Edom's malkhut. I did an entire blog on Isaiah 34 called "Let the Skies Roll Up." The destruction in Basra there is quickly followed by a description of massive oil fires:
Its Rivers will be filled with tar and the soil to sulfur, and its land will become burning tar. Night and day it will not be extinguished; its smoke will ascend forever. (Isaiah 34)
It appears that Red "Edom" Adair who has now passed on has no replacement. He put out the oil fires in the first Gulf War for a million dollars a well. For some reason noone will put the fires out this time. It will no longer be worth a million bucks for each well. By the way the preceeding verse to the above passage tells us why Edom's angel is being slain in Basra: For it is a day of vengeance for HaShem, a year of retribution for the grievance of Zion.
The Talmud in Makkos in the perek of Eilu hen hagolin discusses in detail the ins and outs of a negligent murderer who can flee to a city of refuge. There Reish Lakish makes a striking prediction which you can take to the bank. He says that at the End of Days, the angel of Rome will make three mistakes.
1. He will flee to Basra thinking that it provides refuge like Betzer which is one of the six cities of refuge for negligent but unintentional murderers.
2. An angel like a man can find refuge in a city of refuge. (This is of course not true.)
3. One who has murdered intentionally (bemayzid) can find refuge like one who has murdered unintentionally (beshogaig). This is of course absurd. One who murders intentionally is liable for the death penalty. One can pursue such a murderer into the city of refuge, put him on trial, and if found guilty execute him.
Prior to WW2 every country in the world closed their doors to Jews escaping continental Europe. Yet, a gentile is not obligated in Chesed. Believe it or not, their refusal to provide refuge was not a crime that could be tried in the Heavenly Court. There is one glaring exception to this. The country that closed the door to Eretz Yisroel was not closing the door to its own country. It was closing the door to the land which was given by the Creator to the people that were seeking refuge. That country that shut the door in 1939 was of course Great Britain. By closing the door to our own home, they became partners with Hitler. They of course claimed that they were ignorant of the goings on in Europe during the war. Therefore they were only "shogaig" or negligent. You and I and the Eibishter know very well that the British were fully appraised of the Holocaust while it was happening. They were Hitler's fully cognizant partner in the Crime of intentional mass murder. Whatever happens in Basra, the British have it coming to them.
Since the first Persian Gulf War in 1991, when Gog Sr. stopped at the outskirts of Basra and permitted 2 Babylonian divisions to return to Baghdad, I knew that the second Gog would be back to place Babylon under his thumb. In 1994 when he became Governor of Texas, I knew he was the second Gog. Yechezkel repeats himself in chapters 38 and 39, hinting that there would be two men named Gog. Until Gog W. became Governor, there was no way of knowing that the second Gog would be the son of the first one. Yet, every Shabbat since March 1991 when the Gulf War ended, I have made it a point to sing Droch Pura B'Toch Batzrah VeGam Bavel Asher Gavrah (Tread the winepress in the city of Batzrah {Cause Edom's blood to flow there} and also in Babylon which arose with strength.) This is, of course from the third verse of Dror Yikrah, by tenth century Baghdad poet Donash ibn Labrat who understood that the last war between Edom and Yishmael would lead to the destruction of both, Yishmael in Baghdad and Edom in Batzrah.
The real source to all this lies literally "In the Beginning". On the third day of Creation G-d planted a garden in the eastern half of Eden. (According to Dr. Gerald Schroeder's calculation in The Science of G-d using the General Theory of Relativity, the remaining three days of Creation elapsed over two billion of our years. Of course, these were three 24 hour days by G-d's clock since he fills the universe with His Glory, but His clock ticks one million million times more slowly than our terrestrial clocks in accordance with Einstein's Theory. Therefore, since the third day of Creation took place over a two billion years between two to four billion years ago, the Garden, which exists even now if we could experience the passage of time as G-d's "Divine Presence" experiences it, has existed for at least 2 to 3 billion of our years.) This is important to understand what came next. See my article from last year on this subject.
The text of the Bible is very straightforward but puzzling. And HaShem, G-d, caused to sprout from the ground every tree that was pleasing to the sight and good for food; also the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden, and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Here comes the puzzling part. The Torah spends the next four pasukim discussing four rivers that issue from Gan Eden. Only then does the Torah bother to tell us that oh by the way about that tree of knowledge of good and evil: On the day you eat of it, you shall surely die.
Rav Shimshon Raphael Hirsch on verse seven dealing with the breathing of Man's neshama into his nostrils explains to us the reason why there is this interlude in the text about the four rivers. In the Torah itself G-d always introduces the tikun (the repair) into the world before the sin. Therefore G-d placed into these four rivers the mineral wealth of repairing the sin of Adam HaRishon. Here another problem arises. The Torah only tells us about the mineral wealth associated with the River Pishon. The good gold is for hashra'at Shekhina (induction of the Divine Presence) on a bed of gold between the Cherubim. The onyx is for Aharon and his descendants to feel the pain and ecstasy of every Jew as the Kohen Hagadol goes about his avodah (Divine service), literally carrying the onyx on his shoulders as the he carries out his daily tasks. These two minerals are therefore integral in returning the world to a Gan Eden existence.
The problem arises with the remaining three rivers. They are mentioned with no mineral wealth associated with them. Chazal (our Sages of the Ages) tell us the Euphrates is mentioned in association with the final borders of Eretz Yisrael, but this does not explain why the Torah seems at first glance to waste print with regards to the Gihon (Ganges) and the Hiddekel (Tigris). For this we need to skip forward 2200 years to when Yakov and Esau received their blessings.
It is with regards to the blessings of Yakov and Esau that we get the keys which unlocks why these remaining three rivers are mentioned if the principle reason for mentioning all four of them is to show us how we can return to a Gan Eden existence. Yakov is told that "Elokim will give you from the dew of heaven and the fat/oil of the earth." There are three things to recognize about this verse.
1. Yakov would get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore he would suffer for his sins in this world so that he would be certain to have a place in the World to Come.
2. Yakov principally gets his blessing from the dew, which emanates from the mouth of G-d. Where there is no dew, he gets no blessing. Everything for Yakov emanates from the dew.
3. The Torah leaves us with a double entendre'. Mishmanei ha'aretz can either mean from the shumanei ha'aretz (fats of the earth) or from the shamnei ha'aretz (oils of the earth). For Yakov Avinu there is no question. Since the shuman (fat) is dependent on the dew for its purpose, the Torah is referencing the fats of the earth which gives forth its blessing dependent on the dew.
Esau swaggers in, begs his father for one blessing, and he receives the following: From the fats/oils of the earth you will receive a dwelling and from the dew of heaven above. The two differences stick out like a brilliant flash.
1. Esau does not get his blessing from Elokim. Therefore, he will not suffer for his sins in this world. Therefore, he may lose his world to come by not being chastised down here.
2. His bracha is reversed! Therefore, even though he does get reward for the good that he does through dew, his blessing for the oil of the earth is not contingent upon his receiving dew. When he deserves blessing, the dew comes to water the fatness of the earth, but Rashi says that even if he is a total rasha (wicked person) with no more merits for the dew, he will still receive from the oil of the earth. Notice that here the double entendre' matters, for without the blessing of water from heaven, he will either depend upon irrigation for the the fat of the earth, or it does not mean fat at all. When it does not mean fat of the earth, it means oil of the earth a.k.a. bubbling crude.
At this point I would need to explain why I believe the end of Esau's bracha came during the Clinton years, but Shabbat is approaching and I must go.
Just food for thought. The Pishon tells us about the tikun to build Olam Haba (World to Come). The other three rivers are the source for the principle mineral wealth of this world. Therefore the Torah which is interested in building Olam Haba does not tell us about the mineral wealth of the other three rivers. The principle mineral wealth for two of the remaining three rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates, is of course 55% of the world's sweet oil reserves. These reserves are located along the banks of these two rivers in northern and central Iraq and of course at the mouth of these two rivers as they enter the Persian Gulf. This is why, except for Iraq itself, most of the Persian Gulf oil is close to the coast of the Gulf. The city which is at the confluence of these two rivers of Eden as they enter the Persian Gulf is of course Basra. Whoever controls the confluence of two rivers which exist to bestow the world with an existence before Mashiach comes can try to dictate terms to others about how they should run their affairs in Olam HaZeh (this world where the wicked are rewarded for the good that they do and where the righteous suffer for their few sins). Gog W. and Blair have come to do just that.
The fact that the oil is "sweet" requires a scientific explanation. In the course of my research on this subject I came across an intriguing fact about oil fossilization. When ancient mulch contains a high concentration of dead animal decay, the resulting fossilized crude will have a high percentage of the high melting point oils. It is therefore not desirable as a source for the more highly volatile, low melting point gasolines which power Western Civilization. Crude oil which is fossilized over eons is considered "sweet" and desirable for energy when the original mulch had negligible amounts of dead animal products. Since these two rivers come from Gan Eden where animals do not die but trees natuarally shed their leaves, one would expect that the original organic mulch would have a non-existent amount of animal decay in it. Therefore, Persian Gulf oil is some of the sweetest oil on the planet. Secondly, the Torah tells us that the river which waters the Garden of Eden goes way underground to become the source of the four rivers, placing the organic waste under intense heat and pressure in an oxygen starved environment. This environment of anaerobic heat and pressure favored oil production over coal production when the organic decay fossilized. G-d has been setting up the conditions of Edom's destruction for a long, long time.
The geulah process is unfolding before our eyes, and I have to finish planting my tree of becoming a teacher. What a bummer! I am figuring that he (Gog) will not attack Iran until at least September or October when night cover for air raids becomes lengthier. America does very well when it starts its air wars as the nights are getting longer and longer. If a ground assault becomes necessary, which is probably the case, Gog W. would like to wait until Spring when it stops raining. If on the other hand, he is expecting to need to launch a ground invasion almost immediately, then you are right, and hostilities are imminent. My reading of Debka.com which is right about 90% of the time is that he wants to begin the air war in the dead of winter (Chanukah?) allowing for a possible ground invasion in the Spring. Yet, you are right. The British are scared to death of this one. Both passages in Isaiah describe exactly the end of Edom's malkhut. I did an entire blog on Isaiah 34 called "Let the Skies Roll Up." The destruction in Basra there is quickly followed by a description of massive oil fires:
Its Rivers will be filled with tar and the soil to sulfur, and its land will become burning tar. Night and day it will not be extinguished; its smoke will ascend forever. (Isaiah 34)
It appears that Red "Edom" Adair who has now passed on has no replacement. He put out the oil fires in the first Gulf War for a million dollars a well. For some reason noone will put the fires out this time. It will no longer be worth a million bucks for each well. By the way the preceeding verse to the above passage tells us why Edom's angel is being slain in Basra: For it is a day of vengeance for HaShem, a year of retribution for the grievance of Zion.
The Talmud in Makkos in the perek of Eilu hen hagolin discusses in detail the ins and outs of a negligent murderer who can flee to a city of refuge. There Reish Lakish makes a striking prediction which you can take to the bank. He says that at the End of Days, the angel of Rome will make three mistakes.
1. He will flee to Basra thinking that it provides refuge like Betzer which is one of the six cities of refuge for negligent but unintentional murderers.
2. An angel like a man can find refuge in a city of refuge. (This is of course not true.)
3. One who has murdered intentionally (bemayzid) can find refuge like one who has murdered unintentionally (beshogaig). This is of course absurd. One who murders intentionally is liable for the death penalty. One can pursue such a murderer into the city of refuge, put him on trial, and if found guilty execute him.
Prior to WW2 every country in the world closed their doors to Jews escaping continental Europe. Yet, a gentile is not obligated in Chesed. Believe it or not, their refusal to provide refuge was not a crime that could be tried in the Heavenly Court. There is one glaring exception to this. The country that closed the door to Eretz Yisroel was not closing the door to its own country. It was closing the door to the land which was given by the Creator to the people that were seeking refuge. That country that shut the door in 1939 was of course Great Britain. By closing the door to our own home, they became partners with Hitler. They of course claimed that they were ignorant of the goings on in Europe during the war. Therefore they were only "shogaig" or negligent. You and I and the Eibishter know very well that the British were fully appraised of the Holocaust while it was happening. They were Hitler's fully cognizant partner in the Crime of intentional mass murder. Whatever happens in Basra, the British have it coming to them.
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Dov, right as you wrote this, this came out:
State of Emergency Declared in Basra.
Chag Samayach!
http://moshail.blogspot.com/
May be it will take a little longer? Chag Sameach.
The Epochal significance and importance of Dov's latest post cannot be overstated.
if it's correct,...
Interesting reading as always, but a couple of points need correction:
1) "His clock ticks one million million times more slowly than our terrestrial clocks"
Aside from the tremendous suppositions such claims are based on it, it goes against psat. The posuk says "elef shanim b'eiecha k'yom etmol..." What takes a thousand years in this world is one of Hashem's days. That's pshat. A look into kabbalah and Chassidus will reveal that this is true to such a degree that the 6,000 years of this world (plus "echad chruv") are not only "k'neged" the original six days of Creation, they are taking place within those six days mamash. Schroeder is clever, but da'as balabatim heipech l'Torah.
2) Referring to Yaakov, "Where there is no dew, he gets no blessing." I'm not sure what you mean to say by this. But chazal tell us that dew doesn't cease, it is not dependent on our avodah (in distinction to rain, which falls as a result of the spiritual efforts of the Jewish people). Dew is a moshol for pnimiyus haTorah, the level of Torah that is the "dew" that will revive the dead.
My dearest Ya'akov:
I have a link from this blog entry on the word "subject" to my previous article "Science Slowly Catches Up With the Torah" in which I answer your very question. Rav Yitzkhak of Acco, a student and colleague of the Ramban performed his own calculation for the age of the universe where he assumed that every day for G-d was a seven thousand divine year cycle shmittah cycle, meaning at the end of six days of Creation the universe went through 42,000 divine years. Since each divine day is equal to 1000 human years, then a divine year is equal to 365,250 earthbound years. From this both Rav Yitzkhak, a contemporary of the Ramban, and Rav Aryeh Kaplan come to the same conclusion, that the universe is over 15 billion of our years old. Pasting Rav Yitzkhak's curve on the same graph as Dr. Shroeder's curve leaves us with amazing results. Rav Yitzkhak's curve is a straight horizontal line in which each day of Creation is approximately 2.5 billion years. Schroeder's curve drops off exponentially where the first day was 8 billion years and the sixth day was about 300-400 million years. Both curves cross during the third day when the Torah says ki tov (and it was good) twice. The areas under both curves are identical only at the end of six days when the Torah says that the Creation was very good. The same amt. of time therefore passes at the end of six days according to both calculations. I would agree with you that Rav Yitzkhak of Acco who was instrumental in bringing the Zohar to publication, Rav Aryeh Kaplan, and Dr. Gerald Schroeder, who lectures for Aish HaTorah worldwide, were and are very clever ba'alei batim.
Dr Schroeder is exacting to a tack. No where does he dispute the interpretations of Chazal, including the one which says that each 24 hour day of Creation was 24 hours long. It is just that in accordance with Einstein, those 24 hour days were 24 hours for the One who fills the created universe or for anyone else in that reference frame. Of course, G-d is above time, but somehow His essence has bound an aspect of who He is in time and space by filling the Universe with His Glory. Our local comparatively zero gravity reference frame experiences time a million million times more slowly. In both cases a minute is a minute and an hour is an hour. It is just His hours take place while we experience millions of years. No one said that Einstein was easy. He can be at least as difficult as a page of Talmud, although the Talmud is infinitely deeper. Both, though, Einstein and the Talmud take experts to understand fully.
I wish that large scale oil fossilization could take place over a few thousand years. It requires a much more ancient time frame. For us it is a process of 3 billion years in the making. For G-d it is only 3 1/2 of His 24 hour days, and I mean 24 hour days as He "experiences" it and as Adam and Chava experienced it until they were tossed out of His reference frame from Gan Eden.
Thank you for your comment about the dew. The only thing that I would add and ask is if it is going to happen anyway, why do both Esau and Yakov receive a special blessing for it. I believe that Chazal tell us that with the blessing of the dew, the dew will translate into bounty for both. Without a bracha, the dew will not give forth its blessing.
Thanks again.
R. Yess:
Your experiences are valuable to all Jews, especially now, it seems. I wonder if it would be asking too much to request, with respect, that share more with us on this subject--that is the conflicts within Orthodox Judaism. The purpose would not be to muddy waters, but to help everyone navigate. Maybe good came come from this kind of disclosure.
Dov,
Regarding the actions of the British vis a vis Jews attempting to enter Palestine, could you provide references? I am not questioning your research, rather I would like to read more about this slice of history. Took me awhile to do this with regard to Joe Kennedy.
Very best
My point from before is obviously Rav Yitzkhak of Acco, Rav Aryeh Kaplan, and Dr. Schroeder are expressing Da'at Torah which is not opposed to the Torah
To the anonymous writer, or anyone else, who wants to know more about the Brits' perfidy in pre-state Israel, I would recomend you check out 'The British Record on Partition' at http://emperor.vwh.net/history/br.htm
@R. Yess
What I said was not meant disrespectfully. I just as well want Moshiach to be here.
Reb Dov, could you please comment on the following?
http://moshiach.forumsplace.com/message210.html
Many thanks!
One only needs to listen to the BBC World Service a couple of times during a given week to simply know Dov must be right because literally every other news item is about how bad the situation is for the "Palestinian" children who can't go to the beach unharmed or about how rude the Israeli soldiers are at the checkpoints and so on.
It means the world to me to be able to see the big picture or connection between the kabbalistic theory expanding bilions of years and words coming out of my radio spoken by someone who is probably either being paid for by the Saoudi's indirectly or in any case by the masonic British druglords themselves who are looking for a "civilized" way to get rid of Israel before HaShem puts them out of business for good !
Vincent M.
Yasher Koach to Dov on the depth and breadth of this topic and to those who comment with such sincerity and wisdom.
I feel compelled to add a couple of points of interest from the "Kol HaTor" attributed to the Vilna Gaon by his grand-nephew and disciple Rav Hillel, which speaks almost exclusively about Mashiach and in particular Mashiach ben Yoseph.
I find the following particularly interesting in that these comments are attributed to the GRA, who we do not generally associate with what we have come to attribute specifically to "Chassidic" or "Kabbalistic" thought.
1. The GRA concurs that the period of the "Seventh Day" corresponds to the year 5600 (1840) and that the "ingathering" begins shortly thereafter. He identifies this period as the inauguration of the footsteps of Mashiach introduced by Mashiach ben Yosef. The GRA also relates that other matters, relating to the "wellsprings", Pnimiyut Ha Torah and the confluence of science, technology and Torah also begin at this "dawn" of redemption.
2. The GRA makes the deduction that when Yosef was born, Yaacov was then able to overpower the Angel of Esav.
3. The GRA observes that the Gematria of Esav is equivalent to Shalom. (376) The implication being that one is mutually exclusive of the other: that when Esav's power and merit will be depleted, peace will reign.
Forgive me if I'm off point, but I thought this was interesting in light of some of the other comments.
are you all insane? the lubavich rabbi was not a messiah -- he died, so get over it. and the world is not ending anytime soon. instead of useless conspirational arguments, perhaps you could contribute more to society?
especially if you live in israel, stop leeching off the government, stealing palestinian land, and endangering the lives of young, productive israeli youths who have to defend your reckless behaviour with their bodies and lives.
otherwise, stay behind when israel pulls out, and live on your 'holy' land and dont get us normal israelis involved with your mess anymore.
are you all insane?
NO, YOU ARE, IT JUST APPEARS THAT WAY BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD HAS GONE MAD, AND IN A CRAZY WORLD THE SANE ARE CALLED "INSANE"
the lubavich rabbi was not a messiah
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT, MAYBE HE IS, MAYBE NOT. BUT ACCORDING TO TORAH, HE COULD BE, BECAUSE MOSHIACH CAN COME FROM THE DEAD
-- he died, so get over it.
WHY SHOULD WE GET OVER IT, WE MISS HIM, AND CONTINUE TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTIVES AND WHEN MOSHIACH COMES (REGARDLES OF WHO HE IS) THE REBBE WILL COME BACK WITH ALL THE TZADIKIM
and the world is not ending anytime soon.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU, THE WORLD IS NOT "ENDING" IT IS JUST CHANGING
instead of useless conspirational arguments, perhaps you could contribute more to society?
WE CONTRIBUTE, WE WORK, STUDY, RAISE CHILDREN, PAY TUITION, GO TO THE ARMY, PRAY, ETC..
especially if you live in israel, stop leeching off the government,
THERE IS NO BIGGER LEACH THAN THE GOVERMENT
stealing palestinian land,
G-D GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS, ITS IN THE BIBLE. THE XTIANS BELIEVE IT, THE MUSLIMS BELIEVE IT, WE BELIEVE IT.(YES WE KNOW YOU DON'T)
and endangering the lives of young, productive israeli youths who have to defend your reckless behaviour with their bodies and lives.
THE GOVERMENT IS ENDANGERING OUR LIVES WITH ITS CRAZY POLICIES
otherwise, stay behind when israel pulls out, and live on your 'holy' land and dont get us normal israelis involved with your mess anymore.
WE MIGHT JUST DO THAT...
Why did I bother answering you at all? I have no idea its just a waste of time, you will not accept any of my answers.
to shay and Co., your argument was the exact same one people used when Moshe didn't come back from Har Sinai when they expected him. they said "he is dead, we need to deal with reality...." it wasn't long before the they were building the golden calf... i'm sure they truely believed in what they were saying/doing, but in the end we are still paying for their poor judgement.
be careful, while your argument may be sound to you (especially among the falsehood that we live in) it is taking you away from Torah, turning you against fellow jews, forcing you into a trap.
kind regards
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