Wednesday, November 07, 2012

This is the Year 5773, and Obamanation is the Man

The Obamanation that makes desolate, the 11th horn dude (half Muslim half Xtian iron mixed with clay) has won his 2nd term.  It will likely be America's last election.  He will rule by fiat and by Executive Order.  Horrors await those who stay in America.  For Eretz Yisrael, please see my previous post for what happens next!!  It will be good here when that international conference to destroy us is held this year 5773.  But with Fiscal Armeggeddon looming, millions of Americans will soon head for the Canadian border with their wealth in tow after converting immobile assets to gold or silver.  In Texas a major Revolution is being conceived as I write this.  Many counties in Texas are prepared to revolt already.  Ask Judge Tom Head of Lubbock County, Texas how the revolution will proceed.  This is it folks.  More later.  I am tired after a long night.  I need to daven and get some sleep.

So I was correct about how Hurricane Sandy would help Obamanation look pretty and Presidential.  American voters could care less about good and evil anymore.  Their elected one is pure evil, and he showed it is Benghazi, and still they could care less.  And even worse, he called for revenge, against whom, we will soon find out....And he still won.  More later.  Again please read my previous post again.  It will now all transpire this year.  all of it.  This Zohar VaYeira has a track record.  The signposts have occurred on schedule.  So the main event for the international one state conference that Obamanation has planned will also come true.  Baruch HaShem.  But get out of America now!!  Make Aliyah!! Let your gentile neighbors head for Canada.

Upadate:  And in the End it is the West that will have to attack Persia most likely in the Sabbatical year 5775. The great World War that is looming is not between Israel and Persia but between Rome (The West) and Persia. The hypocrisy of the West will be totally exposed. They claimed that it was just our problem, but when a great evil becomes unleashed on the world it is everyone's problem. We are just the miner's canary for morally noxious fumes in the world. Persia when it becomes a nuclear power will overthrow friendly Sunni kings in the Persian Gulf, and the King of Arabia (Saudi Arabia will seek advice from the White House (Lavan the king of Aram) what to do about Persia waxing in power in the world. And Persia will go forth to take over the world. And everyone will grab their abdomen as if in the pangs of birth, and scream out to G-d. And G-d will then tell his children, "Don't worry my children. The time of your Redemption has arrived." Just be prepared in any way possible for a process that could last up to three years until the end the Sabbatical year 5775. It could happen more quickly, but it will likely last up to three years.

It is happening now for each year of the Holocaust that occurred 72 years earlier. The Holocaust was at the spiritual moment called Alot HaShachar, the break of dawn. Sunrise is exactly 72 minutes after Alot HaShachar. So the events of Redemption in 5773 will take into account all of the Jewish suffering in the year 5700 which ended with Rosh HaShana 5701. The events of Redemption in 5774 will take into account all of the suffering in 5701. And the events of the Redemption in 5775 will take into account the suffering in 5702 (1942), the year that the Final Solution was conceived and implemented. So 5775 will even be a bigger year than 5773 and 5774.  (In 5774 we will have the Voices of Prophesy, the return of Eliyahu HaNavi.  It is all a process. The climax will be in the Sabbatical year. Our collective merit to bring this on is our suffering throughout Jewish history to Sanctify G-d's Name. We all have individual merits, Baruch HaShem, but after the expulsion and the enabling of the expulsion by our so called leaders from Gush Katif, the Shoah is our only true collective merit. Yet, because no one can take back the suffering that was wrought on our ancestors, at least 6 million of us will be redeemed. Come now to join the 6 million Jews "that happen to be here right now" in Eretz Yisrael. The more the better.  Yes, after three years there will be a remnant for Mashiach ben David to come and fetch from the exile, but why take a chance?  Some of you can see that G-d wants you out of there now.  Some of you have blinders on and simply cannot see.  After Hurricane Sandy, do you really want to rebuild your galut on the Brooklyn Coast??  Rebuild here on the Mediterranean.  Call your community Sha'ar HaYam (Seagate).  Now that would be a nice name for a new city here in Eretz Yisrael, don't you think?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I prayed, I danced, I gave tzedakah that Hashem should overturn the decree against American Jews. That was clearly not for the best.
All I can say is thank G-d that between this election and the last Hashem enabled me to make aliyah.
Really, please come to Israel! It's good here. The economy is better than the US, not worse. Perhaps the old US system was better than some aspects here, but under Obama and Obamacare the Israeli system suddenly looks amazing. There is quality, cheap health care, good housing, jobs, and best of all - Jews. I'm not lying - it's the imaginations that keep Jews trapped in exile with a free ticket to freedom that are the lies.
This is the Holy Land (even the non-Jews don't call it that for nothing). The basis of the land is that you must come for spirituality, not physicality. H' in His mercy is opening a small window of time where you can come, komomiyut (upright - aka with honor), for both. Take advantage while you can!!!
Rabbi Shalom Arush shlita said years ago that a time will come where US Jews will be lucky to get out in their PJs.

11/07/2012 8:37 AM  
Blogger ariela said...

Listen to Dov Bar-Lieb, if you can not get to Israel or feel you can not make a livelihood in Israel, I completely understand. Please leave the American cities and suburbs, get to the country side in the wilderness this will be your best safest alternative. Contact me, contact , HaRav Ariel Bar Tzadok , contact Dov Bar Lieb. but get out now.

11/07/2012 9:42 AM  
Blogger Theophilous said...

Is there any way for a gentile to immigrate to Israel?

I'm 53, diabetic, a heart attack survivor so I can't serve in the military. But I've always loved Israel, and know that the creator has made the Jews his own people.

Can a gentile be welcomed into the land of the children of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

11/07/2012 10:30 AM  
Anonymous Selichot said...

Man what a disaster
anyway we are in the times of moshiach

11/07/2012 10:38 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, but come here now. It might take 3 years for Ben David to actually show up. Being under G-d's special Providence here in Eretz Yisrael at this time is your best option. If you are unable to come, I will post links to all my old last year articles on this site and on Mystical Paths for instructions on setting up survivalist camps in states that do not grant marriage contracts or Civil Union contracts to homosexuals. One must 1. recognize and partner with righteous gentiles and other Jews to do this. You need to guard the non-perishable food in shifts. 2. store up a year's supply of non-perishable food 3. have weapons to guard the food storage and the survivalist camp from looters and gangs of roving thugs. Whether FEMA or Homeland Security will try to shut you down is a big unknown at this time. But do your hishtadlut. 4. Contact Rav Ariel Bar Tzadok who is building a community in the Smoky Mountains of Eastern Tennessee to either join him or to set up communities of your own.

Best bet is to make Aliyah. But for Heaven's Sake get out of the large cities especially in States that voted for Obama. It will simply become too dangerous to be a Jew in those dens of human perversions. They are angry now. Obama told them to seek revenge. So here comes the revenge.

11/07/2012 11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ariela and others,
Before falling out over J4J issues I was the Israeli-American Jew writing a regular piece for what is currently the best selling survival and preparedness author.
I have actually lived for extended periods in the US wilderness and I have been a frum Yid in rural America.
Firstly any economic fears you have in Israel are for the most part matched by living in a rural area.
In rural America if you are providing an important need you will be welcome at first but once people figure out that it is not a simple task to convert you or at least make you a Jew for yoshke their affection will often dim, there are plenty of good people but blessing Israel is eclipsed by filling their childrens bellies. Add to this lack of family, church, and historical connection to the community and for many Yidden the Jewish and big city normal quirks like no Dec25 that push you far into the weird category.
Perhaps you and your group do end up with good relations with the gentile neighbors, let us not even consider that Jewish kids who are not either kept and educated apart or hated by the neighbors will 50/50 end up marrying very kind sweet goyim and possibly even converting to that religion not unlike the Jews of China.
A Jew can survive in Israel even if by waiting too long they might have to give up a well off lifestyle if they move during an emergency.
In most wilderness areas of the US western states even with my extensive military survival training I could probably only feed myself an then mostly with non kosher food but probably not enough for my family especially once everyone leaves cities and towns and kills off the large game animals.
The Eastern states would show how narrow and false the wilderness areas are if people including looting mobs had to evacuate cities and attempt survival like locusts stripping Mitzrym clean of anything green.
I respectfully beg anyone to realize that if the doors to our land(Israel) appear closed not make the wrong (in a non-Shoah scenario) choice and attempt without training, equipment, or the proper location to live off of the inner bark of trees or hunted animals, or even in a rural Jewish survival camp, but rather to make the move home to Israel now. If people are too worried about money at least try to relocate to a place where antisemitism and the level of emergency are less extreme, but most importantly there must be a well established critical mass Jewish community such as is found in South Africa or Australia though these locations may not be ideal.
Me, I wanted the best chance for my children and their generations to come, chose Israel not for your wealth but for your Jewish family survival.

11/07/2012 12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gentiles can own property in Israel and many do live here as permanent tourists, making a short trip every few months away. It is possible but difficult to become a naturalized citizen.
Becoming Jewish and living our life is very difficult and I can't suggest that difficult and historically sometimes even deadly path to a gentile, and it is certainly not appropriate to seek conversion in order just to make aliyah.

11/07/2012 12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know what sickens me more than anything else from this election? It's seeing Jews write things like, "Thank G.d" because the child in the White House won.
Pray tell, how do you get the pork eating self hating Jewish apologists to open their eyes? I don't think you can.

11/07/2012 12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov, will those be punished who voted for Obama together with those who did not vote for Romney of did not vote at all , to give chance Obama to win?

11/07/2012 5:23 PM  
Blogger Moriah said...

America has lost it's deterrence. No-one fears America anymore. The result of Obama getting four more years with the help of 70% of America Jews is Iran is going to attack America. What happened to Israel will happen to America. We are not prepared for car, bus and mall bombings. We are a huge country wide and spread out. And we know from the response to Sandy that America is not prepared for emergencies. I am not the only one noticing this. Our enemies are noticing and making their plans

11/07/2012 6:25 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Let's see. Does one lose their Olam HaBa by voting for the totally evil 11th horny dude a 2nd time? Hmm. Given that those who voted for him are likely below the 49th level of impurity already, it is likely they are goners even before voting. and now they have sealed their fate. At the very least, they have lost one of two of their Chalakim (portions). Olam HaZeh or Olam HaBa. Providentially therefore to keep their Olam HaBa for voting for this Man of Great Sin a 2nd time, they would likely have to be mesirat nefesh (give up their life in this world) while doing teshuvah.

11/07/2012 6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous who fell out for J4J issues:

You have excellent practical advice to offer urban dwellers. Certainly far more than I. Consider making yourself available to comment/consult on matters about which you expounded on above. Perhaps here, with Dov's permission.

Texas Jew

11/07/2012 7:27 PM  
Blogger ariela said...

TO whom ever Anonymous is,,, who addressed me. Let me tell you a few things for one I did Aliyah and I lived in Israel, I know what it is, and those who can should then there are those who are like me and for what ever reason could not survive. We were hungry we were sick and we had needs which were not met in Israel. As for surviving in the wilderness in America well sir I do not care what combat unit you were in I grew up in the Appalachian mountains, in the Big Woods of the Midwest... I am not only Jewish I am American Indian too, and I can with HaShems help make a living on any American rock you pick out. Making it out in the country requires a certain amount of determination and total lack of laziness I am living proof it can be done also raising 5 children healthy children at that. Not a lot of money just good ole hard work and stick to it. I grow gardens can my food in jars, Fish the lakes and eat quite well. By going in as a community we order Kosher chicken and part it up can our own soups ect... Not only this I know how to do many things including eating edible herbs from the wild ... Generation's of good Jewish Grandmothers before me knew things I know and many Jewish women and men should but don't know.
Now if there is a poor soul out there wanting to escape this horrid mess the cities and its suburbs are in and worse to come... My door is open and I will help them all I can. If people can make it to Israel and LIVE then Mozel Tov . However, I have talked to many who cant pay their rent much less pay for what is required to move to Israel. We sold everything and did Aliyah and I will tell anyone yes Israel is good in a spiritual way but, no its not cheap nor is it Heaven on earth now. Latter yes now NO. With all the dis-unity and in-arguing lack of decency in most area's I wont lie and say its grand its NOT. Yet it is our homeland HaShem gave us so if you can go good if not GET out of the cities. feel free to contact me. I promise nothing but I will try my hardest to help you find a decent quite place to live and help you have some sort of community and help you adapt. Pray ask HaShem what to do he will guide you. And anonymous you discouraging people from leaving for safety is not good.

11/08/2012 4:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone questions what happens to Jews in small town America when there is a minimum critical mass just look at Postville Iowa, the residents mostly have a negative view and are threatened by a foreign culture who will not participate in xian Amreica, this surely contributed to the targeting for one of the harshest immigration and underage labor investigations and sentencings. The counter example is the many abandoned Jewish cemeteries especially in the west where whole communities are buried but their children were eventually buried in the local xian cemetery with their goyishe spouses and children. A shoah where the victims keep their bodies but throw away their olam haba and that of their descendants.

11/08/2012 8:32 AM  
Blogger Daniela said...

I do not think anyone is belittling or ridiculing the troubles of our times. But there is nothing we can do, and what we do will be in vain. It is written and sealed for the year, who will live and who will die, who by water and who by fire. If one must die, I am not sure I would prefer, say, a car accident to a pogrom. We have first of all to make the most of our life as long as we are alive, and second, to avoid unnecessary worries about things we can not change. I assume we all believe it is decided already who will live and who will die.
If I remember correctly, we are taught we prefer indoors to outdoors, we prefer cities to the countryside, we prefer communities to being among nonjews, we prefer money to poverty lest our children G-d forbid leave the fold, or even are forced to work many hours a day and can't study. Ariela is your husband studying or helping you? Are your children studying? Will they marry jews? Will they feel at ease with fellow jews, if they are raised in the lifestyle of Native Americans? Or will they be more attracted to a Native American spouse with whom they may feel they share experiences and mentality? I will respect you if you say you'd have no problem with it, there are many intermarried jews and I am not qualified to be anyone's inspector and criticizer, but please respect that I do not want such a future for my children. Maybe Moshiach will show up in a few months, but may be there will be 200+ years to wait, and either way, I want my grandchildren and grand-grandchildren to be jewish. Rabbi Akiva was a huge gadol and no one today can compare, yet he was wrong about Moshiach, so we can't discount the possibility Moshiach is going to be delayed. IMHO, of course.

11/08/2012 6:20 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Daniella: There will be no more delays this time. It might take up to three years for Ben David to actually show up, but the Geulah is proceeding on a B'itah timetable. There are two groups that delayed it in the previous Shmittah cycle, but in reality there was only one group since the other, the Erev Rav, is so evil that they were bound to make the wrong choice. The Erev Rav: those Jews who seriously worship the avodah zarah of personal popularity and World Public Opinion. They are a truly evil bunch and are likely below the 49th level of impurity already. They wanted to destroy Jewish Gaza in order to serve their god. In a sense this group already has no free will and was and continues to be destructive toward the Jewish nation because they hate the G-d of Israel who wants them to serve Him no matter how popular it is to do so. Then there is the Erev Ze'ir. They were observant Jews who externally seem to serve G-d, and one would be hard pressed to prove that they do not. But one thing they want more than anything, to prolong the galut. They are descendants of the spies and those who mourned when the spies said that we would not be successful in conquering the Land. They have an underhanded motive to remain the Torah leaders of the continuing galut and apparently in some cases will even engage in a horrible act of indecency to preserve that galut. So they colluded with the Erev Rav in 5765 by being grossly indecent in the area of human decency to prolong the galut into the next Shmittah cycle. So now I have spilled the beans, and frankly it must be said so that their followers who still think, that those decision makers from 5765 are saints, come to the realization that they were seriously misled. But alas in this process that began to roll in 5772 1/2, the colluders, the two Erevs, can no longer stop the Geulah process. I would venture correctly to say that both groups the Erev Rav and the Erev Ze'ir will suffer deeply for their evil performed to delay the Geulah in the previous Shmittah cycle when Gog W. Bush Jr. was really the Gog of Yechezkel but even so we could not even have Geulah under those conditions. So now we get the rock gut Shmittah cycle of the half Xtian half Muslim 11th horn dude. BUT THIS ONE IS FOR KEEPS!! Warning: If you want to be part of this, forgo the previous alliance with either group, the Erev Rav or the Erev Ze'ir including those Rabbis that enabled the Disengagement by joining with Sharon in 5765. You won't get away with this in this Shmittah cycle. As a matter of fact, if you persist, you will lose everything in both worlds. Please for the sake of your eternal neshamah, cease and desist alliance with all Rabbis who continue to want to enrich their communities at the expense of other people's lives and property. How is that for spilling the beans of why the Geulah was delayed those extra 6 years from 5766 to beginning in 5772 and continuing in 5773.

11/08/2012 7:01 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

That's fantastic, we all look forward to it, if you are correct. However, Aza is not the first community which has been destroyed by the Medinah, and actually, it has not been the last either. Do you feel that Sinai settlers were treated fairly? They received the very same promises, and compensation was laughable. They did not have public opinion support. They had to pick their junk (which they had done already when evicted by their countries) and emigrate ans start again from scratch.
If the Geulah does not happen according to the timetable you are relying upon, there will certainly be some good reason for it, and I hope there are no more expulsions, but the reality is there may be. Hebron? Or some other place.

As for Rabbi Elyashiv he sure can answer for himself if he is called to. We are not supposed to question our gedolim, we are supposed to make ourselves a Rabbi and they will follow the leaders of the generations. Moshiach will settle the arguments, and we all hope it will only take a few months.

The question however is very practical: should jews haste and run to EY where their children will be, in the very best of cases, drafted in the army, and where there are plenty of people with jewish paperworks but who are goyim or mamzerim? My humble opinion is no. My Rabbi's opinion is no. Your opinion is different, I value your opinion and I listen to many different opinions and try to think about it, then I follow my Rabbi, which I assume is the same you do.

11/08/2012 7:21 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Actually, some are going beyond making aliyah - and EY, if possible and feasible, is the best place to be. Some are suggesting to move to the countryside and make friends with nonjews and have supplies and weapons and guarding shift. A question: what sort of chinuch will children get in that environment? Will they grow up to be Torah scholars?

11/08/2012 7:32 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The evacuations of 5765 were a lynchpin to see if we could treat each other like Bnai Brit or would we treat each other like human debris. We chose the latter. My intention is not to mention names, but if you insist, if the shoe fits, he has to wear it. The last pasuk of what Moshe saw at the end of his life is the key to understanding how important the Geirush from "The City of Date Palms" Kirvat Dekaliya or Newe Dekalim was important to delaying the Geulah. The Targum Yonatan in major peirush discusses this low point in what was the future of the Jewish people but is now our past. Like all negative prophesies, it was not necessary that this one occur. As a matter of fact if some of our Ashkenazi leaders had not fallen into the trap of gross human indecency, the Geulah which began with the South Asian Tsunami would have waxed gloriously until Mashiach's appearance in 5766 in the Galilee.

11/08/2012 7:41 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

more later

11/08/2012 7:44 PM  
Blogger ariela said...

Daniela, I am glad you are happy and fulfilled where you are at, no one is talking about assimilation here and not everyone is keen on the indoors... As for me and my house I have plenty of help and Jewish Neighbors. We have a small community already. also by the way most of the Torah is about living off the land and how to do so.
Shalom and again all who need an out of the horrid mess the cities are and will offer please feel free to contact me. P.S. My husband studies all day everyday with other Jewish men, your perceptions are very very far off base.

11/09/2012 9:33 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Dear Ariela, thank you for your message. No, I am not happy and fulfilled and no jew will be until Moshiach (thus, I know that neither are you). I am doing my work and what I have to do in order to leave the world a better place and ready to welcome Moshiach, hopefully sooner than later, but, whenever it will be. On the other hand, I am flooded with requests for help, and despite having decent income (and good skills that I offer for free, having plenty of free time because I don't have to spend my day with my back bent growing vegetables, and I don't even have to spend many hours at a desk) I am unable to fully help everyone that asks me for help. Thus I find it awkward that you solicit it on the Internet for struggling people to move in your community: have you run out of Jews to do chesed and tzedaka over there? If so, I will gladly oblige and send you a long list. Wait, just about any synagogue in Brooklyn will at this time have a use of all we can send.

The Talmud advises us to prefer the indoors and the cities: I respect your feeling that you know better, please respect mine.

11/10/2012 11:11 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Actually Yirmiyahu HaNavi in Chapter 29 tells the Jewish exiles of Bavel to do the following. Build houses and settle. Plant gardens and eat their produce. So living on a farm or in the country is perfectly fine. It is obviously best to have a hundred Jewish neighbors to build a synagogue, to protect non-perishable food storage together. so on and so forth. So Rav Ariel Bar Tzadok is setting up a vibrant Jewish community in E. Tennessee, that would be a good place to gather. If Ariela can bring together at least ten or fifteen Jewish families to form a community in Upper Michigan with food storage and farming, the entire bit, with weapons to protect themselves and the food storage, more power to her. Make sure that your non-Jewish neighbors are righteous gentiles to avoid problems with the neighbors. But the rest is in the Hand of G-d.

11/11/2012 12:10 AM  
Blogger Daniela said...

I have not ever grown anything, nor did I ever live in the countryside, but it happens that my grandparents were forced to do that for various decades (of course the young men were sent off to cities all over the world to work like horses and send back money, or they'd have all starved). They told me plenty of first-hand stories about two, three, four generations ago, about growing vegetables and keeping a cow and some sheep and goats and chickens in order to feed their families. I am well aware that it is not a pleasant life. Has anyone asked their grandparents or grand-grandparents, who no doubt knew some peasants? Or, switch on the TV. The sidewalks of cities throughout the world are overflowing with people who can't afford housing -- and yet, who left the countryside for the city, sometimes entering illegally another country. Would they all do that, if they had enough to eat and a decent life? Are they all crazy? Wait, there's more. Some of them are escaping countries or regions with ongoing conflicts. If really the best place to be is the countryside, why hardly anyone willingly moves there? Why in Nazi-occupied Europe, when the Allied bombarded heavily the cities, and orders were issued for civilians to move to the countryside, plenty of people defied orders and/or obtained false paperwork about having a bellic effort job in the city (despite the death penalty threats and the summary executions carried out at crossroads), and why did Jews, whose added risks I do not need to highlight, defy such orders too? All of them were fools?

If Ariela chooses the country lifestyle for herself, especially now that we are in peaceful and abundant times, and there are subsidies for agricolture, I would never dare to suggest her to move to Manhattan. I assume she asked a shaila, and in any case, it is none of my business. However, for those who are considering moving to the countryside, think twice about it, and if you are still convinced about making a living off the land, ask a shaila, and then if your Rabbi thinks it is a great idea and blesses it, please go ahead and enjoy. Just don't take for granted it is the best choice for everyone.

I consider carefully your suggestions, but in the previous wars in Europe and throughout the world, people who went through it have given me different advice, in particular hoarders rarely if ever have escaped. People need skills and people need contacts. Countless people have been saved by not-so-righteous corrupt rotten people who printed fake documents and paperwork and did not ask questions. Beware of paying. If the nonjew thinks he can extract money or gold or weapons or anything valuable, he may not hesitate to take all of it by violence and then sell the blood of the remaining family members. Give a little bit, and then write a contract, which says that you have been confronted by Mr XY about your grandfather's gambling debts and how he had been borrowing, that you were unaware so far but you have now seen your grandfather's signed promise to pay Mr XY, and that you acknowledge the debt, but due to your inability to pay and currency instability, it will be renegotiated after the war. Tie the value to 2-3 different commodities, be them currencies, wheat, land/houses, gold... what you and your counterpart prefer. If we are dead and our family is dead, his contract will be a worthless paper. When he hears the police will comb the area, he will let us know. If he can help by printing something else, he will do. He wants us throughout the war to return whatever favours we are able to, and most of all he wants us to stay alive until it's over.

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11/11/2012 2:39 AM  
Blogger ariela said...

First of all we are not in Nazi Germany, and its not so much the Government take over. What we will have a problem with is when mass amounts of people ( Jewish or not have food, gas, clean water shortages, riots and worse ), Daniela we live inside we are not animals. We have jobs make good livings and do chessed. Where did you ever get the idea people who live in the country cant have these things. I dont break my back I live a decent Torah observant life. Many who live on farms in Israel live just like myself. Where do you think your food you eat is grown? Just thank HaShem there is some country Yiddishkite growing it for ya, right. I am so happy you do so much for others kol kavod. Shalom

11/11/2012 5:26 AM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Ariela, it was you who said that not everyone is keen on the indoors. Thank you for answering. Sure it may be that for some, a certain path is advisable, and our choices not have to be the mainstream path (see I am using the Internet, for example), and let me reiterate that I have nothing against your path, but this does not mean it is suitable for everyone. Most of the food which comes to our tables is obtained via intensive growing (or animal rising) and it requires fuel, water, logistics exactly like any other manufacturing plant. If there are gas shortages, the countryside produce will quit growing produce, no different from a silicon chip plant. If the govt or currency collapses and the taxpayer's subsidies for agricolture finish, only some Asian countries have nowadays (with good logistics and supply-chain) profitable operations in agricolture, what about the rest? Of course you may be able, after long time in agricultural production, to grow enough to feed your family; and (the second part, I am not so sure) you may also be able to avoid problems with the armed people, loose or from the govt, who are around in times of shortage. But I find it questionable to invite others, who are completely unprepared even nowadays with heated greenhouses and fertilizers and abundant water. The countryside is not like cities, which no doubt is the reason you moved there, but it's a two-sided coin and everyone should weigh all options carefully.

Now I have a question. Let us put aside produce, which we may buy from nonjews no problem. Let us focus on meat. Rubashkin wanted to offer affordable kosher meat, and to do so, he had to operate in the nowhere in Iowa. Of course he had a decent Torah observant life, gave a livelyhood to many shochtim (and to lots of nonjews), and he operated strictly according to the U.S. laws (despite imponent investigations and unsympathetic prosecutors, charges had to be dropped, as you may remember). He raised a large family and had a nice house, he made a very good living, did chessed and was a huge baal tzedaka. We all know what happened to him. What do you advise in that respect? And what do you answer to the objection I am not looking forward to being the next?

11/11/2012 11:35 AM  
Blogger ariela said...

Daniela, You are right not everyone can or needs to move to the country, However there are those who will need to. As for Rubashkin his story is horrific and certainly a reason not to move to the country, build infrastructure, become the main boss in town run the goys town. You put yourself in a situation of bringing attention to yourself and Jealously will of course arise. G-d forbid any of us bring have such horrible out comes. We keep ourselves very quite, we dress very similar to the other religious minorities around us so we do not stand out, we right now order our meat through various kosher online stores Avi Glatt is our favorite. We freeze, can and smoke meat we buy. We also eat fresh fish. We survive very well have not major issues and get along with the people around us very well its been 5 years and no problems as a matter of fact one of our families did have a legal issue from another state the local legal institutions stepped up and resolved the issue straight away. Most people where we live are Finnish and love the Jewish very very much. I pray you never have to leave your home and can always be so good to help others. We all have our work to do. Shalom

11/12/2012 5:00 AM  
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