Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David
To all questioners with regards to Lazer Brody's interview with a mekubal. There are obviously two legitimate schools of thought: The students of Eliyahu and the students of Elisha. See all the letters from the previous blog entry.
The students of Eliyahu think that the big battle is Yerushalayim. The students of Elisha can see the yeshua in Gush Katif. Eliyahu heralds Mashiach ben David not Mashiach ben Yosef. M. ben Yosef comes with the Vav in Hashem's name. M. ben David comes with the final Hey in his name. This is why at the Pesach seder when Eliyahu finally shows up, the third cup representing the Vav in HaShem's name has already been drunk.
See you in S'derot, or at least pray that the students of Elisha are right. Pray hard!
I was told today by a great Rav, here in Kochav Yakov/Tel Tzion, that we are not losing Gaza. Obviously he is from the students of Elisha through Rav Nachman of Breslov who clarified how the students of Elisha should feel and think. This is a battle against K'feira (Deniers of Divine Providence) that wants to keep the Jews who are prosperous as secular as possible. Gush Katif is probably the most prosperous of the G-d fearing areas of the Land of Israel. All the forces of evil in the world want it destroyed. It tears the deniers of G-d apart that the sons of prophets will be victorious with G-d's help. The students of Eliyahu will have their day too in Yericho and Yerushalayim, very soon. How these things with regards to Gush Katif will happen, I do not know. (I actually have an idea, but I cannot speak about it at this time.) Yet, I have been told to remain steadfast through this process and to avoid exposing myself to the media's perspective as much as possible.
The students of Eliyahu think that the big battle is Yerushalayim. The students of Elisha can see the yeshua in Gush Katif. Eliyahu heralds Mashiach ben David not Mashiach ben Yosef. M. ben Yosef comes with the Vav in Hashem's name. M. ben David comes with the final Hey in his name. This is why at the Pesach seder when Eliyahu finally shows up, the third cup representing the Vav in HaShem's name has already been drunk.
See you in S'derot, or at least pray that the students of Elisha are right. Pray hard!
I was told today by a great Rav, here in Kochav Yakov/Tel Tzion, that we are not losing Gaza. Obviously he is from the students of Elisha through Rav Nachman of Breslov who clarified how the students of Elisha should feel and think. This is a battle against K'feira (Deniers of Divine Providence) that wants to keep the Jews who are prosperous as secular as possible. Gush Katif is probably the most prosperous of the G-d fearing areas of the Land of Israel. All the forces of evil in the world want it destroyed. It tears the deniers of G-d apart that the sons of prophets will be victorious with G-d's help. The students of Eliyahu will have their day too in Yericho and Yerushalayim, very soon. How these things with regards to Gush Katif will happen, I do not know. (I actually have an idea, but I cannot speak about it at this time.) Yet, I have been told to remain steadfast through this process and to avoid exposing myself to the media's perspective as much as possible.
posted by Dov Bar-Leib at 8/02/2005 01:27:00 PM
59 Comments:
Dov:
Are the two schools of thought based on Achesheniah and B'itah? Zechariah 12-14 seem to favor the eliahu school of thought (c"v). I pray for Gush Katif.
What's gotten into you, Yaakov? There is no MBD without MBY.
See you in S'derot, or at least pray that the students of Elisha are right. Pray hard!
Huh? If they're wrong, no prayer can change the reality. What possible influence could prayer have on something that's already been decided? Should we pray for the Mets to win the 69 world series? The mets have already won, and the decision has already been made about who - Elijah or Elisha - was right.
It's nothing new, but:
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia Wednesday said Israel’s planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip would eventually lead to its surrender of the Jews’ ancient capital – Jerusalem.
“We are telling the entire world, today Gaza and tomorrow Jerusalem. Today Gaza and tomorrow and independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital,” Qureia said while reviewing PA security forces in Gaza.
He insisted the Palestinian Arabs would never agree to end their hostility towards the Jews until the holy city was relinquished to their control.
“Without Jerusalem there will be no peace,” said Qureia a day earlier.
Zohar, B'reshit (with Pirush Sulam):
234. Both Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David are not revealed until revelation of soul of Mosheh. And the reason for this is that Malchut enters Binah, and therefore Malchut is missing its own part, and is left with only 9 S'firot of Hitkolelut (inclusion) of Malchut in Binah. But, Malchut itself is hidden in Rosh (head) of Atik. For this reason Malchut is divided into two parts: above Chazeh - which is Leah (hidden dmension), and that's where from son of Leah comes: Mashiach ben David; Below Chazeh is Rachel (revealed dimension), and that's where from son of Rachel comes: Mashiach ben Yosef.
Malchut above Chazeh has 10 S'firot, Malchut below Chazeh has only 9 Sefirot without Malchut and ends in Yesod. That's why there is contradiction between MB"Y and MB"D in regards to purpose of final redemption, because MB"D wants to rule over Israel with his quality - Malchut above Chazeh, where complete Zivug (lit. coupling) is possible, and that's why his light is perfect.
But, MB"Y is not satisfied with rule of MB"D, since it comes from hidden world, radiance of which spreads from below upwards, and doesn't shine from above downwards under Chazeh. Therefore, he wishes to reign over Israel by shining on them from Malhut below Chazeh, from above downwards, with revealed radiance.
That's the main contradiction and rivalry between the two Meshichim, deriving from contradiction of David and Shaul; Since, Shaul: son of Rachel is MB"Y, while David: son of Leah is MB"D; And furthermore, in every generation you get representitives of both of them who rival between each other, since they are born from two opposite Malchuyot: Leah and Rachel. Leah has complete Malchut and by this she gradually corrects Rachel, in spite that Rachel is missing Malchut de'Malchut.
AND TWO MESHICHIM HAVE NO POWER TO REDEEM ISRAEL, and that's why they stay too long and don't redeem Israel from Galut; NOT AS LONG AS the letter Hei in MosheH's name is not revealed. Tikkun has to be done from Malchut above Chazeh, and that's why both Meshichim are not in completeness...in order for this to happen both of them have to unite and fill each other until complete Partzuf (10 Sefirot, one beneath the other, which appear gradually by Malchut ascending to the Emanator).
This is the Hei of AvraHam which filled 'Avram' before AvraHam. This is Malchut corrected by Binah, Hei Zeira (minor Hei), so that world may exist and be corrected gradually and clarify holy names of HaShem. But, after all names of HaShem shall be revealed in Malchut corrected by Binah (Malchut of 2nd Tzimtzum) - the inclusion of Malchut in Binah is annuled: Hei of Avraham, and that's when Hei of Moshe is revealed in its full force.
We can see, thatt Hei of Avraham: Malchut of 2nd Tzimtzum rules during 6000 years of Tikkun; And afterwards, Hei of Moshe: Malchut of 1st Tzimtzum is revealed. But, until Hei of Avraham doesn't reveal all Holy Names and all tikkunim, it postpones revelation of Hei of Moshe, hidden in Rosh Atik.
But, when Leah and Rachel are united, two Meshichim are connected in unity and Israel is redeemed from Klippot of Erev Rav...That was the reason for prohibition of eating from Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil - because evil inside of it: Erev Rav, and that's what provoked destruction of First and Second Temples.
The moment Erev Rav are removed from Israel, immidiately the river Zeir Anpin, flowing from Gan Eden, shall be filled and irrigate entire Garden, i.e. Malchut.
See what Eli said:
Two "shooting stars" will appear in the sky ("Moshiach is in them"). One comes from the earth to the sky, the other from above to below, coming and going each night. These shooting stars will "explode" every time they appear. "Two Moshiachs will come out, riding on a donkey, and they will connect ("close up together") to be one big Moshiach. "
And most recently:
Eli said that as soon as we defeat the "Evil Moshiach", then the true Moshiach himself will come! "All of them."
B'karov mamash!
R'Dov, I see myself as mostly connected to Eliyahu and MBD. Can this help me understand my tafkid for this time period? I would really appreciate any help you can offer here. The confusion is paralyzing.
some clarification from Kol Hatoar:
Chapter 2, section Dalet.
At times, the tasks of the two meshichim are apportioned differently, both with regard to levels and with regard to influences, depending on whether the aspect of Leah or Rachel, that is, of Daat or Malchut is involved. Mashiach ben David is the one who causes the upper abundance to flow. Mashiach ben Yosef, on the other hand, is the one who receives and carries out what is included in the aspect of Judah saving Yosef. If the aspect of Yosef and Judah together is involved, i.e., Yesod and Malchut, then Mashiach ben Yosef causes the abundance to flow, and Mashiach ben David is the recipient. All this is true at the beginning of the Redemption, when the wood of Yosef and the wood of Judah are “pieces of wood in your hand, ” when they are still divided into two, on the level of the awakening from below. At the time of the complete redemption, however, when the two pieces of wood have become “one in My hand” (the hand of God), then the meshichim will be like two inseparable friends; they will have become one, they will have become the King Mashiach who is on the level of the trustworthy friend of the final redeemer, Moshe Rabbeinu, may he rest in peace. This is on the level of the great thousand, when God will become king over all the land, etc. (this is affirmed in gematria: [and] together, equal 1000). Since we are standing on the threshold of the beginning of the Redemption, we must learn and know all the aspects and tasks of the two meshichim, the meshichim from below, regarding the paths of the beginning, with the help of God.
From this, it appears a fusion of the spiritual MBY and MBD occurs and manifests as one Melech HaMoshiach.
For those who can read Hebrew, by R' Yitzchok Ginsburgh of Gal Enai:
http://pnimi.org.il/medina/aktualya/shloshmeot.asp
רק אלו אשר לא כרעו לבעל המדינה, מסוגלים לקום ולומר כי כאשר יש עימות בין התורה והמדינה - התורה היא מקור הסמכות והפסיקה האחרון, שלא ניתן לערער עליו
That's what I'm afraid of. Edom conquering Israel with their big new base near Rosh Haayin/El'ad.
We all want a miracle in the next week, we all want to believe that the 6year old boy is making predictions about this year and not next year instead.
I'm still optimistic, I'm not losing hope.
'The Holy Land shall not fall in the hands of Bnei Edom' - this is prophecy from Zohar Ha'Kadosh!
RED ALERT: Expected Earthquake, Volcanic or Storm Activity !!
http://standeyo.com/Reports/041222.EQ.warning/050804.Deyo.EQs.html
(Apparently, his technique enabled him to predict the 24 Dec earthquake)
Rav Dov and reading audience:
This was taken off off another website referring to the message above on Stan Dayo and the Red Alert message:
The source of this particular earthquake warning is a xtian "survivalist" who has a working relationship with anti-semitic, neo-nazi propagandists. He also has a book out, called "The Cosmic Conspiracy" that revives blood libel and the Protocols of Zion with "Jews" substituted for "Illuminati". It is sold by far right/conspiracy book sellers right next to works on holocaust denial.
Do not lose hope! See the emboldened ammendment to my original post. Of course both Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David come simultaneously as outlined by the reasons given in Yechezkel 37 and the Zohar on Bereishit. Yet, because the redemption is coming b'ita and according to Rav Winston who quoted Kol HaTor and other sources, Mashiach ben Yosef will be a leader of a movement and will rule first even though Mashiach ben David will be present simultaneously with ben Yosef's rule. It is true that ben David could have come before this b'ita moment without the appearance of a singular person who could be Mashiach ben Yosef. Hezekiah, the greatest King of Israel after David himself, captured Gaza early in his reign all the way to the "Netzarim" watchtower. By doing so he could have been Mashiach ben David after the plague that hit Senchariv's army without the necessity of Mashiach ben Yosef's coming. Yet, now that events are transpiring b'ita, Mashiach ben Yosef has to come to correct the hostile kefeira surrounding the evacuation in Gaza. The partnership of the Eruv Rav and Amalek will not stand!
I cannot discuss properly at this time the reasons why it is b'ita all the way, for by doing so I will create Machlokes during the nine days when we need unity without purposeless rage. Putting salt in an open wound only serves our enemies' purposes.
If this is true, it just shows how deep the sickness goes:
Katif rabbi: Neveh Dekalim settlers to pay Shfaram condolence visit (Israel Radio)
Especially in light of the fact that Channel 10 purports to have video showing that Zada was cuffed before he was killed by the mob.
If it's true that our being expelled is because we have not expelled the Arabs and if this event with this poor misguided soldier is a test to see how we treat a fellow Jew who is perhaps perceived as least lovable of our lot (no one would even let him be buried!) and how ready we are to follow through with the commandment to separate ourselves from the Arabs, well, I guess we have sealed our fate.
Anonymous,
the Druze serve in the Israeli army. It is embarrassing that they are even more patriotic then most Jews. Member of Parliament Eyob Kara proclaimed at the last 'protest' in Ofakim/Sderot last week, 'hashem oz l'amo yeeten'.
Not to knock Rav Kahane, but kicking out Arabs at this time is not the answer and merely a scapegoat. The problem is us and our lack of unity under god and his/our torah, especially including us religious who should know better. I totally agree with lazer's post today.
Josh, Haaretz did a special article on a Druze father and son who are very happy to participate in the expulsion of Jews. You can't paint all of any group with the same brush. And it's got nothing to do with Kahane.
If you want to argue with Hashem and tell Him His mitzvot are unjust or are not humane enough, go right ahead, don't let me stand in your way. In fact, let me get out of the way first.
All gentiles who have managed to keep Noachide Law here, will be permitted to stay during the Messianic Era. This may include up to 10% of the Arab population and significantly more than half of the Druze population. Direct participants in murder and mayhem will be executed. Those who turned a blind eye to the murderers in their midst will be given the boot. The seventh Noachide Law does not permit turning a blind eye to the other six Noachide Laws. The laws of the Messianic Era will be very strict on the gentiles who call the Land of Israel their home, but these laws will be eminently just!
I'm not sure that those who turned a blind eye will simply be given the boot. Certainly not if they were leaders in a position to do something about it. After all, the halachic basis for the actions of Shimon and Levi in killing out the men of Shechem was because they permitted the rape of Dina and did not pursue justice.
That said, I don't think it is a retroactive judgement. At this point of hester panim, there is still time for tshuva by any non-Jew who wants to wishes to connect himself to the "non-Jewish auxiliary" of our Holy Torah.
Harav Yitchok Ginsburgh
B'ita Achishena
"At the end of two years", the time of the redemption of Yosef from his exile in prison, hints at "an end to (awakening from) sleeping" (in Hebrew: Ketz Shnatayim/Kitza miSheina). As opposed to being awakened -- which comes to a person from outside -- awakening comes from the person himself, he is finished sleeping in a natural way.
Regarding the redemption, awakening is the redemption "achishena" (hastened), which comes before the completion of the exile itself, and awakening is the redemption "b'ita" (in it's time), when the end of exile arrives on its own.
Simply, a redemption "achishena" (hastened) is preferable; yet there is a unique advantage to the end "b'ita" (in it's time): When the exile and its refinements come to an end of themselves, there is no need for any further exile. Moreover, the awakening from outside only impacts one who to whom the light of redemption "speaks to him" and awakens him. But even one completely sunk in exile (where the light from outside doesn't effect him), is awakened from the exile when it ends on its own accord. In other words: awakening is useful for one who has fainted, because even one who is dead is in need of being awakened -- "awaken all you who sleep in the dust"!
http://pnimi.org.il/medina/mashiach/beaitaAchishena.asp
Has even ONE of the predictions of Eli come true?
The fight for Jerusalem has begun!!
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1069
Orient House is Reopened, Symbol of formal Palestinian Foothold in Jerusalem
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis
August 10, 2005, 10:34 PM (GMT+02:00)
The Palestinians are about to fulfill a dream. Israel’s pullout from the Gaza Strip next week is but the preface to more withdrawals on the road to a Palestinian state with Jerusalem its capital.
So said the chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas Tuesday, August 9.
Palestinian leaders have every right to the mood of euphoria that Abu Mazen voiced on their behalf.
For without conceding a single point, giving anything in return, setting the Middle East road map in motion - or even starting to crack down on terrorists, the Palestinians will soon be granted:
1. The Gaza Strip rid of every last Jew and Israeli as their exclusive domain.
2. For the first time, they will share an open border with the largest Arab nation, Egypt.
3. A deepwater port over whose shipping traffic Israel will have no control.
4. A territorial link from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.
There is no doubt that Abu Mazen has done a lot better than the late Arafat who never dreamed of fulfilling so many dreams. When he spoke of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem its capital, Abbas was not talking out of his hat.
Although not a word of this has been leaked thus far, Orient House, the symbol of Palestinian Authority sovereign rule in East Jerusalem, has reopened for business for the first time in four years. In 2001, this symbol was demonstratively shut down on the orders of the first Sharon government. Now, the Palestinian leader has jumped the gun and set his brand on Jerusalem, the seat of the Israeli government, ahead of peace negotiations or any talks with Israel on the profoundly controversial Jerusalem issue.
DEBKAfile’s Palestinians sources reveal that the Palestinian Authority, on Abbas’ orders, has begun issuing communiqués to the Palestinians of East Jerusalem. They appear under the letterhead of the Orient House, the National Headquarters of the Palestinian people in Jerusalem.
A Website is headed The Orient House for the International Community. Its first messages are a long list of alleged Israeli violations of the Geneva Conventions. The institution has recovered its former function as the Palestinian communications channel foreign missions, embassies, consulates and liaison offices in Jerusalem.
But that is just the beginning. According to our sources, Abbas has just appointed a new Palestinian intelligence commander for the West Bank. He is Rashid Nafa, former chief of Palestinian special forces. The instructions he received from his boss are clear and were transmitted to the regional intelligence commanders. Their missions, they were told, focus on Jerusalem according to the following order of priorities set by Abu Mazen.
A. Priority Number One: Palestinian intelligence must assure itself of a presence and the freedom to operate in the city.
B. Priority Number Two: To contain the Judaization of Jerusalem and its environs.
The way Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon and defense minister Shaul Mofaz enthuse over their newfound collaboration with the Palestinian Authority, it would have been natural to assume that Abu Mazen had at long last instructed his intelligence chief to start cracking down on the terrorist networks infesting Palestinian West Bank cities. However, no such mission figured on Nafa’s order of priorities, although he had plenty to say about strengthening Palestinian government in Jerusalem.
AharonBenjamin,
the reason the date isn't published is to fool the sitra achra.
On the other hand, we have an abundance of 'dates' being publicized and this is fool him as well.
Keep saying tehillim, keep studying tanya, Harav Mordechai Eliyahu says the miracles will arrive very soon.
That's a great idea. Let's engage these "Erev Rav", as you call them, in battle and slaughter them all! Hey, I know other people that slaughter countless innocent people. What are they called again? Oh right, they're Terrorists!
Oh yeah and, I got the 41st comment!... Wait, why does that matter?
"Anyone who doesn't engage himself in a battle against Erev Rav becomes its integral part, and it would be better for such a person not to be born at all" - Vilna Gaon
Reb Dov, how long until we get another blog from you?? Has anyone heard any updates from the rabbis who said it wouldn't go through or who were planning a celebration for it not going through? Any good news out there? I'm still hopeful that it won't happen. My daughter says it's like Avraham Avinu being stopped just before he used the knife on Yitzhak (setting the side the question of whether he did or didn't). And this seems reasonable since we are told that it was Avraham's agreement with the goyim of Gaza in his time which brought about that scene on Har HaMoriah.
We've been spammed!
Nonetheless, Harav Mordechai Eliyahu says not to despair!
It may get worse in the near term, but don't despair. PLEASE remember: the mission is only a success if every single family is removed. If the expulsion forces succeed in taking aout a few or dozens, the battle still will not been decided until all are out, PLEASE don't lose hope if the expulsion forces seem to take the upper hand. Keep davening harder!
Thank you Josh for your encouragement.
But that's just it. The erev rav aren't our brothers.
Except that you have no idea who is Erev Rav and who isn't. And you can't judge simply from behavior. Only Hashem is dayan emes.
A Yid can be on the "other side of the earth" in terms of his behavior, dressed in a black police uniform with a baton in his hand making the heads of his fellow Jews bloody, G-d forbid, and in the last moment of pressure his neshoma will come out and he will become a tzaddik greater than you or me. You have an obligation to oppose unhalachic policy, but Hashem yerachem if you touch another Jew in anything other than self-defense.
Rabbi Kaduri Warns Against Violence Among Jews
13:46 Aug 10, '05 / 5 Av 5765
(IsraelNN.com) Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri, an aged and well-known Kabbalist, warned yesterday against violence among Jews or their property, calling soldiers and policemen who refrain from harming the Jews of Gush Katif "righteous and holy... who will earn the blessing from Above, like the Israelite police in Egypt who had mercy on their brethren...." The text of the rabbi's call, subtitled "a severe warning" and co-signed by other leading Kabbalists, is being distributed as flyers by activists against the government's Gaza-Samaria Disengagement Plan.
"In accordance with our call not to harm soldiers or policemen, G-d forbid, we are hereby turning to all the members of the security forces, G-d protect them, with a heartfelt plea not to raise a hand against our brethren, the residents of Gush Katif and Samaria, not to harm them in body or in property for no injustice done on their part," Rabbi Kaduri writes. "This is what Moshe our teacher, peace be upon him, said: 'Evil one, why are you hitting your fellow?' And anyone who raises his hand against his fellow is called 'evil one,' violates a Torah prohibition and the decrees of previous generations."
In addition, Rabbi Kaduri makes explicit reference to those members of the security forces who are employed by the state: "Even one who is threatened with harm, to himself or his livelihood if he does not hit, is not permitted to hit or raise a hand, as with any of the severe Torah prohibitions."
I have to agree with Yirei Shomayim. We cannot hit another Jew. This is the Halacha we must follow right now.
If a great leader will arise like Moshe Rabeinu (perhaps Mashiah himself) and announce "Mi LaHashem Eilai", then things will be different, but until then, we don't have the authority to make these decisions.
Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu Calls for Fasting and Recitation of Psalms
17:17 Aug 16, '05 / 11 Av 5765
(IsraelNN.com) Former Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu is calling for the recitation of Psalms and a day of fasting as (D)isengagement Day approaches, Wednesday, August 17th.
Speaking on behalf of his father, Rabbi Yossi Eliyahu told Arutz-7 that people are urged to increase Torah study, repeatedly recite Psalms 91 and 20, and those who are able, to accept upon themselves to observe Wednesday as a fast day, beginning in the morning.
Rabbi Eliyahu stressed that people in Gush Katif or planning to attempt to enter the area are not to observe a fast.
To Yaak, Yirei Shomayim, Parnasa: Kol Hacavod. It's nice to see there are others that agree with me.
Also, our job is not to seperate the good from the evil. Our job is to teach the evil to be good and the good to be better.
Agent,
Our job is to obey halacha. The spiritual impact of a mitzvah separates out that which can be elevated from that which cannot. And by being separated out, that which cannot be elevated is itself elevated.
It's not a matter of agreeing or not agreeing, it's a matter of halacha. Today we don't know who Amalek is, we don't know who is Erev Rav. Our only compass is Torah and the tzaddikim who interpret it for us. (If your gedolim are not tzadikim...get new gedolim!)
Trueer words were never spoken.
Will there be any words of comfort, Dov?
We witness terrible scenes of Am Yisrael being put to shame and raped, as our enemies triumph;
All predictions by G'dolei Yisrael and Torah scholars failed, nothing happened during any of the promised dates for Geula since Nissan.
Edom, Ishmael and Erev Rav laugh and rejoice in their hearts as there is no evidence left for Divine Providence in this world!
Can it get any worse than this?
Eldad, snap out of it! Hashem will not act until the last moment, when it looks all but impossible. Yeush is the true enemy!
STOP SPECULATING START DAVENING
Ive read kol hator as a matter of fact i paid for its translation to english and ramchal maimer geulah . Dov ber ive heard much on the baal hasulam thats an amazing peirush on the 3 redeemers as explained kol hator its intresting name number 70 o of the name of 72 is ybm as in roshei teivot tehillim 110 also ironically 110 years of joshua and his ancestar yosef hatzadik.yadin begoyim malei ramchal uses this possuk in tikkun 40 of tikkunei chadashim ybm is otiot roshei teivot mashiach ben yosef and 70 is gematria gogumagog and rav kadri shlita says we have entered gog umagog which means mashiach ben yosef is near. Because of the chabad propoganda i was starting to believe the hype there is only one mashiach - when i see the impotence of klal yisrael against the nations and erev rav i now think there are 2 mashiachs-the baal hasulams peirush in sod further awakens this-explaining it alpi partzufim. I think chabad has reached a crossroads the rebbe had 2 main directives in his life those directives now contradict each other shleimus haaretz and ahavat yisrael- I think mashiach ben yosef like joshua before him metaphysically will show shleimut haaretz is the destruction of amalak and true ahavat yisrael.
I feel badly that none of the "tzaddikim" of this land have spoke up about the idf not even wanting to give him proper burial are you kidding me..... this govt lets out mamash butchers who will cut you in pieces and then salivate but this young lad is a villain for trying to be a man i know yishmael is pera adam is yaakov though just a worm what yisrael lacks truly more then anything else is self respect thats why truly hes been a slave since egypt
Eldad you have true ahavat yisrael may Hashem help you bring closer the geulah through your Torah posts-disunity is a big problem every group claims to have the truth thats oviously what we face now as the gaon says emet is missing-may Hashem give us the power to go deeper into his Torah to reveal its emet- a lot of things are working in reincarnation playing out past dramas-. We have to accept that for now our free will and Hashems directing everything are one even though we have no connection to this until geulah-but this helps us as aq people swim faster when your in a pool swimming the faster you move your arms and legs the faster you go. O r as the Talmud says the more an olive is pressed the more oil comes out- as a people we are being pressed its not a decree for destruction but we are being pressed. As the talmud says the years david was chased by shaul and crying out to Hashem were worth to Hashem a lifetime of Torah study . As rav nachman says no striving for Hashem the good of the neshamot of yisrael or shleimut haaretz is lost chazak chazak vinitchazaik.
re: the second to last post,
be aware that we have no idea what these tzaddikim are saying because a) the general media couldn't care less, b) the religious media is not fond of kabbalists and tzaddikim, c) if it's not on the internet, it really doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.
To create a buzz in the public, you need a mass communication channel. If the media decides to ignore you, than you have to spend major money on advertising and fundraising for more advertising.
d) if you really want to hear what tzaddikim say, go to them. Their followers in general, do not waste time like us on the net.
Your scaring me did you say the religious media isnt fond of tzaddikim- chabad revers their rebbe menachem mendyl- how can the religious israeli media be course with tzaddikim . I should ask how can they be religious- didnt our teacher rabbi nachman of breslov say how important it is to rely on the true tzaddikim in this woprld or as tehillim 16 says have past.Why do we allow this I dont speak fluent modern hebrew but this lack of respect of true tzaddikim truly theres nothing worse- look how korach ended up- all we have is to rely on the true tzaddikim in this dor and what they say and listen- I certainly didnt climb mount sinai to see Hashem.Hoshia et amecha uvarechat nachaltech urai urai urai venasai urai- the rebbe when he sung that the whole world went from confused or bad to good. yechi adoneinu rabbeinu verabbeinu melech hamashiach leolam vaed- a chasid must listen to his rebbe we sang this to him while he was alive and he was happy and serene with it.Orthodox yiddin follow chabad and chabad follow the rebbe.
Fololow the rebbe of chabads words all rebbes rosh yeshivot of all places of klal yisrael in eretz yisrael and golut with respect to shleimut haaretz. Rav mordechai elyahu a close friend of the 2 pillars of this dor from shamayim baba sali and the rebbe stood for 15 minutes during a shiur by the rebbe out of kavod for him.Any rabbi or roshei yeshivah or rebbe who denigrates the rebbe of chabad or his policies in shleimut haaretz is delaying the geulah and should be immediately censored from heaven- for many neshamas are losing their emunah- speaking ill of the rebbe or his policies alpi shleimut haaretz is acting in the manner of korach- the rebbe always spoke of an army an army does not leave its general- the rebbe of chabad all rosh yeshivot rabbanim rebbeim in chutzla aretz and eretz yisrael is the general- no matter how high in Torah you are you take orders from the general- all the machlokit against him by others out of unity of klal yisrael i wont mention their names has caused these repracautions in the shechina and loss of land strength of emunah-neshamah- its important to end all the cavod fighting of whose a greater jew- and join together with the concepts of shleimut haaretz- to connect to Torah you dont have to connect to the awesome concept of mashiach you do.
Another anonymous person wrote, in part: "Orthodox yiddin follow chabad and chabad follow the rebbe."
Just to keep the records straight, I'm no "yid". I am Yehudi. And despite the fact that I do NOT follow Chabad or "the Rebbe," I am still Orthodox.
blueenclave---you have misunderstood. No one was looking for the end of the world.
Redemption is the beginning of a new world in the sense that everything that is wrong with this one will be fixed.
Anyone who isn't looking forward to that is crazy!
blueenclave, two things:
-Contrary to what is seen publicly, the haredim do care very much that the zionists are giving up land and treating other Jews so poorly. I know that many haredim are praying hard for 'us' very much like how Avraham avinu prayed hard to hashem for the people of Sodom and Amorah.
Nonetheless, my frustration also is that they are not joining 'us' publicly. As much as we (mizraachim I think they call us) are not perfect, we are not the people of sdom and amorah. It would be a great kiddush hashem if they put aside their politics and joined us. But it all goes down to the fact that Harav Eliyashiv's thoughts are absent to us.
I think in this gilgul dor hmidbar we are seing the sin of the spies the 10 princes talmedei chachamim who rejected the land in the desert and largely reject now in religious onclaves throughout eretz yisrael and golut and trust me as a baal tshuvah of 17 years ive been to all those onclaves of the 10 spies Torah Hashem in the desret is a worse sin then the egel zahav perpetrated by sharon in gush katiff-the lesson is if the 10 spies in the golut and eretz yisraels "charedi" community would hear their b5rothers pain they no longer would be the curse of the 10 spies in the bamidbar, and what they shutter at and fear avoda zara the egel zahav, powers were then given to edom -ishmael ramchal maimer hageulah would no longer exist.Basically for striving for the whole land in this gilgul dor hamidbar we erase the tottal effects of the 2 main sins of that dor the egel and the spies.
He who desires the land this is everything- chredim all they talk about is a korban in the beit hamikdash- do me a friggin favor all you high and mighty chredim who are more afraid of esau then Hashem what this means is more afraid of their yetzer hara for evil then their yetzer hatov to possibly do Good- its a huge kiddush Hashem when a man in the full garb i meanall 8 layers of aharon hakohen enters Gush katiff and supports them physically- you have 8 layers on the land is physical the mitzvot are all physical you only do a tikkun of the guf through the physical in eretz yisrael support your brothers in the settlements physically- may the tribes join any 80 year old rabbi in meir sharim or elsewhere as rav shach used to curse the rebbe of chabad-look what he did the rift is unreparable because of the hatred dont lead your students into evil waters for they will drink of it and die and the name of heaven will be profaned- im gonna go a litle father-I ? if heaven considers you orthodox if you dont follow the rebbe ofchabads shleimut haaretz by now- I hate jewish death even the death of the 10 great talmidei chachamim in this generation who are full of logic reason pilpul and gemarrah but really truly repeat the phrase of the bamidbar but we are but grasshoppers.
Always somebody else that' holding up the geulah, right?
Sinas chinam.
Me sinat chinim -look at the history since the state began zealots of orthodoxy putting rav kooke in cherum spitting on reb areyaeh levine for being his friend- the satmar and the rebbes under him fight with chabad- mitnagim against chabad- the names called at breslov in the begining-When a family is fighting someone has to fix it- maybe this is the result.Its just frustating already i heard from a very big rabbi that its good theres so much machlokis- all i know is when my father and mother were screeming at each other when I was 2 years old i didnt like it-does Hashem like all are fighting machlokis-but everyone claims no one is holy enough to prevent it there probably right but damit look what its causing- this one in satmar is praying for the state to fall chabad, safardi, breslov, religious zionist seem to join- a lot of minagim seem indesisive in between like barely a stance they make up the majority of yeshivot and koolelim- i wont enter one. How in thevc world from the dysfunctional chaos i grew up in can i have a torah without a land are you crazy do you have sinat chinam to me?
I predict pogroms are coming to jews in america very soon.
aheron benjamin you talk about mekarving all types of jews from the freideker rebbe-in his final sicha reisheis goyim amalak he speaks about what amalak did to him in person arrested him and threw him down stairs i believe he was in a weelchair after this nebek- the one who threw him down the stairs was a jew and the ones who arrested him were the secret branch of the jewish part of the kgb. The mossad and shin bet follows the same tactic rav kahane his son benyamin rabbi yitzchak ginsburg and others were put in jail for mixing torah and conquering or at least keeping the land of israel for jews. Ahavat yisrael is good but there are many in the erev rav in shin bet mossad supreme court and knesset hell bent on ripping the Torah out of israel the land from the jews as we see now and replacing it with as much klippah as they can until Hashem sees otherwise.
Shalom!
Two wonderful things the Lord has revealed from the Psalms. First is a time frame for the end of days in Psalm 119. Second is a numerical and theological link between the allegory of hagar, Abraham's age at Ishamel's birth, the remnant of Israel, and Psalm 86.
To read, go to Google Groups and type in: Pslam 119: TimeFrame for the End of Days; also, Hagar: My Beloved.
B'HaShem,
michael bar-net http://www.habagministry.com
"Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David" - there are some interesting posts here.
Y or D, Priest or King?
Both, but there is priest who help to show the hidden king.
King is one from God and priest is one from Man. The best of Man is the Priest and the One between him and God is the King. So you can call the priest human and the king divine. How will the divine be in contact with the Mankind?
The Divine must be a human too.This mix is the one who we call the King. But he is not, because the real King is God. So is just like a shepard, or shiloh.
And the priest is like the Ram who has the bell and whom the sheeps follow. The shepard is like alien to the sheeps. They know as leader only the ram. So what is this new leader and why is he different?
Why is he not a sheep or ram?
He is a shiloh and this means that he is not a sheep.Let's call him a shepard or maximum a prince. There is one King and that is the Owner of the sheeps,the ram and the shiloh.He is the real Shepard,the true Leader or Ruler. So if you find out who is the ram, you may find the shiloh that you are looking for....(but remember dont look for a sheep)
If we do not merit, do not the sages say that we will be given over to the final Haman to cause repentance? For Moshiach will be revealed at the appointed time!? Perhaps Eliyahu and Moishe return to withstand the final Haman as Moishe withstood Pharaoh with 'his' prophet Aaron, to help with his communicating the words of Hashem, to the king of the goyim. Is that why Eliyahu is the harbinger of the Kingdom of the Real Moshiach of the age to come?
Good News of Yerushalayim shel Mala and Yerushalayim shel Mata
Shalom
The living book of Ya'akov Eternal Family
Torah was issued from Tziyon and word of HaShem is coming from Yerushalayim shel mala
Shema Ancient Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad
Yerushalayim Shel Mala is calling Us
Eliyahu Hanavi has come
Yosef is still alive, Efrayim has united with Y’hudah .
From Yosef Tribe - Efrayim is coming with Y’hudah Family - Son of David :
Avraham, Yitzchak and Yaaqov and all his descendants and along with prophets .
Appearance of “Moshiach ben David- Quickening Spirit”
From Yosef House (Efrayim ) attached with Spirit of Eliyahu
In these times
From Yosef House, Efrayim recognized his brothers, but they didn’t recognize him.
Yerushalayim shel Mala is calling Us - New Birth
www.yerushalayimshelmala.com
Rebuilding of Yerushalayim shel Mata – Bone of Bone and Flesh of Flesh
www.yerushalayimshelmata.com
Praise Adonai Elohim and victory to Moshiach ben David
Shalom
thanks for ibfo..
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