A Gathering of Seventy Wolves
The Annapolis charade has come and gone. Dozens of nations came this week to divide Yerushalayim in two. Along with this they have hope in their hearts to impoverish and make homeless one hundred to two hundred thousand Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria. Gog W. Bush is on a mission. As the leader of this plot to keep the Saudi royal family happy and pumping lots of oil, G-d has allowed him to literally explode Gog UMagog in our faces. The gematriah (numerical value) of Gog UMagog is 70, the total number of national/language spinoffs of Hebrew to span out of the Tower of Bavel. It represents the combined will of Mankind in their vain attempt to defy the Almighty. In their minds and in the mind of Armilus (Olmert) and Armolgus (Peres), Yerushalayim belongs to Mankind to do with it what it wishes. From Zecharia 14 we see that the Creator has other plans. The prophet very specifically says that there will be a plague that will go out against those nations that dare to divide Yerushalayim. This week the trap has been set, and forty or fifty nations have flung themselves after the bait.
You may ask, "Are there not supposed to be seventy nations that gather against Yerushalayim." This is where the math becomes tricky. Apparently there are forty or fifty nations that want to play ball with Gog. There are another twenty or thirty nations that will reject all compromises with the American king of Edom in exchange for economic largess. These nations are in Iran's (Persia's) corner. They cannot be bought. It is with them that Gog will need to fight his final war. According to the prophets and the medrashim, it is precisely that war that begins the process of our redemption.
It is truly history's crowning moment that these nations have gathered in Annapolis to proudly spit at G-d's plan for his treasured nation. Let the plagues begin.
You may ask, "Are there not supposed to be seventy nations that gather against Yerushalayim." This is where the math becomes tricky. Apparently there are forty or fifty nations that want to play ball with Gog. There are another twenty or thirty nations that will reject all compromises with the American king of Edom in exchange for economic largess. These nations are in Iran's (Persia's) corner. They cannot be bought. It is with them that Gog will need to fight his final war. According to the prophets and the medrashim, it is precisely that war that begins the process of our redemption.
It is truly history's crowning moment that these nations have gathered in Annapolis to proudly spit at G-d's plan for his treasured nation. Let the plagues begin.
posted by Dov Bar-Leib at 11/29/2007 02:46:00 AM
50 Comments:
Whats new here? Every generation, mankind tries to 'found' it own reality rather then submit to a higher purpose. It started in Eden. 'Nothing is new under the sun' as Solomon says.
Dear Rav:
LET THE PLAGUES BEGIN???
I have been reading your blog for some time now and I have heard you speak on Arutz 7. I have the greatest respect for you. But Let the plagues begin??? Your blog responders often accuse American Jews of sitting by passively and silently while Israelis suffer. This is not really true. We try to educate our friends and coworkers about what is really going on in the Middle East. Our hearts break when Israel suffers. It is the Israelis that voted in the current Eruv Rav and cheered when the Jews were kicked out of Gush Katiff, NOT ME.
However, there are many of YOUR bretheren (Jews) living in Diaspora. It is not so easy for a middle aged person to convince their family to move to Israel when people are being killed on a daily basis - to give up an income, retirement, family, friends and culture. The most difficult thing I experienced living in Israel was Israeli rudness and Israelis telling me that I was crazy for making Aliah when they wanted to move to New York or Los Angeles.
Some people cannot make Aliah now. These same people are not immune to the plummeting dollar, forest fires, hurricanes, tornadoes and other natural disasters that have been occurring. We suffer along with Esau and his ilk. We would suffer even more if we came to Israel right now. We are trapped.
I read the comments of some of the Yahoos crying that diaspora Jews don't care about Israel. Jews living outside of Israel are ridiculed, blamed, etc... I read their self-righteous glee everytime there is a natural disaster elsewhere.
We are your brothers as well. LET THE NATURAL DISASTERS BEGIN???
Zeev
Bravo! Well said. Might I add- there is Judgment and there is a Judge- and it isn't Gog Bush, Armilus Olmert or any other Human being on this earth.
Hakadosh Baruch Hu- He is The Judge, and we are his people. We live in his lands and we should trust in no man. I pray that people wake up from the deep slumber, do teshuvah and care about what they say.
Zeev says:
“It is not so easy…to give up an income, retirement, family, friends and culture.” Yet, that is exactly what many Goyim have to do simply to become Jews! I guess it is a matter of priorities and planning. Had I known in my youth I would one day yearn to become Jewish, I would not have allowed myself to have become trapped in a job that requires working on Shabbat in some backwater of the British Empire. But since we humans don’t seem to appreciate what comes easily and given there are no coincidences, maybe Hashem is only testing our resolve. I bet your father Avraham found it a lot more difficult to descend into Mitzraim where he, too, was without income, retirement, family, and culture!
This is strange, but this afternoon It came over me that "judgment" (like a cloud) had come down upon the world. That's the best way I could describe the feeling.
As awful as it might get (Hashem Yerachem) with a war coming from the North (Assad insists on warring with Israel, as he wants a military victory to assuage his .....), the autistics caution that no matter what happens, Eretz Yisrael is the best/safest place to be, and even if we have to flee without our belongings, we might have to.
You're misunderstanding. Read the post again!
He said:
"The prophet very specifically says that there will be a plague that will go out against those nations that dare to divide Yerushalayim."
These nations that will dare to divide Yerushalayim DESERVE to be striked upon with a plague!
Don't be so quick to judge.
BS"D
Dear Dov,
If you would....a little reality contact is in order here.
The fact is that there is no certainty... and certainly no proof...that any Prophecy from our Book of Prophets applies to what is transpiring today.
The Jewish heart may be inflamed with anger about these "70 wolves" attempting to slice up Jerusalem and the Holy Land...and from that anger comes the zealous lust for Hashem to punish/vanquish such evil...but all that outraged desire for "justice" does not connect what is happening now to Zechariah OR Ezekiel.
Even if it gets to the point that NATO troops are in boots and patrolling Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem....even that will not connect these Prophecies to current events.
What WILL connect them is when this Divine Wrath you so strongly seek...when that Wrath becomes manifest as Prophesied upon such troops. Then and only then...can you connect Bush to Gog and the rest of the "private movie" you are scripting here as Prophecy being fulfilled in our day.
It is entirely possible that such Prophecies are addressing a later date....beyond our own days...at a time when Zionism had already committed suicide by believing in the "peace carrot" and trusting in Gentile Promises and dollar bills...instead of Hashem.
It is entirely possible that Zionism will have reached the end of its short shelf life. It came and went. It had no kedusha at the start. It certainly has no kedusha now. And a whole bunch of Jews bought into a lie that tried to wrap itself up in tallis and t'fillin.
No Jew...not yourself or me...can claim to know with certainty what is afoot presently in the Mind of Hashem. Such is only knowable AFTER the events have happened!
Let's not count our chickens....quite yet. This may sadly end up as much ado about nothing.
Rabbi Moshe Yess
Well said Just a girl and Zeev. We Diaspora Jews are here because Hashem wants us here. We try to get to Israel but for numerous reasons, stumbling blocks have been placed before us.
Without the financial help of Diaspora Jews, the poor and impoverished Jews in Israel would be at an even greater disadvantage.
Hashem will bring us home when HE decides NOT when people decide.
Thank you zeev for expressing the situation that many here in the US face.
When I read, "Let the plagues begin.", I didn't feel it was meant literally. Maybe I'm naive. Could it just mean the end of exile is here?
Rav Dov, I always enjoy your posts.
I hope you can reply to zeev's concerns.
And how much longer do we have to wait? Can't the 70 just be upended now?
dear moshe
everyone has a choice in how they want to relate/interpret prophecies.
you would agree that in the past when prophets came to warn people about possible consequences to their action, most ignored them. even though the prophecies were directly addressed to them. but they had a choice and they exercised their choice to their disadvantage, perhaps thinking/hoping that the prophecies would not affect them.
unlike most readers of the blog, you are aware of how people treat the words of the Rebbe, who is a prophet of our generation, even though the words are directed at us and our times. but people connect and disconnect his words which ever way they please.
my point is that if one wishes to relate to a prophecy, the dots they'll see will appear very close together. and if one doesn't, then no matter how close the dots will be, one will fail to connect them.
re: current situation... we all know that those who bless us will be blessed and those who curse us, will be cursed.... the way those nations are treating Jews these days is no blessing, so whatever is coming their way should not be a surprise. it is sad, but it's true. unfortunately Jews themselves play a role in it. we continue to rely on governments, look for "practical" solutions, or simply do nothing. instead of preparing the world for MOSHIACH through awareness. people look for guidance from ovadia yosef, when it's his son who shows a true Torah example. he was one of the very few who wrote a letter to bush warning bush about possible consequences for america if annapolis took place... unfortunately majority consider such action as crazy due to the lack of political correctness, as it doesn't look good. oh well, what can i say, people rather look good in their suffering...
Zeev et al-
HI-
I am an american that just picked up and came to E'Y- I took my husband and three kids and said see you soon to our large and amazing families because I knew THIS IS WHERE WE BELONG.
Your parnasah and health and retirement are up to Hashem only. Not uncle sam whose SS funds are rapidly dwindling.
I am not judging you, but if you WANT to come you can make it happen.
Hope to see you here soon.
For the people who convert to Judaism or pick up their large families and move to Israel - More power to you.
Is Rav Dov correct about his interpretations? - possibly so.
Is it a mitzva for a Jew to live in Eretz Yisroel - almost assuredly so, even though a Jew in Jerusalem is in the same exile as a Jew in France because currently Esau still dictates his circumstances via the world powers and the Eruv Rav government.
My point was other than the resonses to my blog entry. Even when the ancient Egyptians drowned in the sea, Hashem frowned upon the angels rejoicing. In the modern day, the situation is even less clear. Jews in the Diaspora will suffer with Esau, at least they have been up until now. There are many non-Jewish Americans who are rabidly pro-Israel and they would also get killed in any natural disaster.
There seems to be an eagerness to stick it to the Evil other guy. The Angel of Death does not differentiate between the righteous and the wicked once he is let loose. There seems to be something missing when holy people cannot wait for the huge destruction so that their side - which is also my side - can win.
Also, the repetition of the line that Israel will soon be the safest place to live is not relevant because no place is safe now. Let us suppose that the unthinkable happens and 80% of the Diaspora Jews are killed. Let us also say that only 20% of the Israeli Jews are killed. If one of you talks a Diaspora Jew into making Aliyah because it is safer, and one of their children get killed, how will you face them? Their child may have been one of the 20% surviving if they had stayed in America or England.
And for the individual who advised me not to be so quick to judge - how ironic. Snap and unkind judgements is all that I see written from all of the bloggers; except for Rav Moshe. That IS my entire point to you in all of my writings. American Jews don't care, the nations will be wiped out (YIPEE) so that we few chosen Jews who know the entire truth will sit in Hashem's Kingdom while all those evil Jews and non-Jews will get their just deserts. Which ever one of you has the direct two-way line to Hashem, please delare that you are Maschiach already. It is due time.
Zeev
I've said it before... I WISH I could get up and go home to Eretz Yisroel. But I ahve to very elderly [ad be'as Goel Tzedek] parents who CAN'T make the trip. One has dementia,and the other has diffferent health issues. Avrohom Ovinu z"l was commanded DIRECTLY by HaShem to leave his father. In the absence of such a direct command, how can I throw away "Kibud Av Ve'Eim"? I, persoally, am not afraid of the job situation. To tell he truth, as of December 31, I will be unemployed. So finances are certainly NOT what is keeping me back. But how can I turn my back on my parents, who went through the Nazi ymsh"z camps and were zoiche to build a bayis ne'eman with HaShem as their true third partner?
From Daniel 12:9-10:
"...for these matters are to be hidden and sealed until the time of the end [but as the end approaches, all hints will become clear (ibn Ezra)]. They will be clarified and elucidated, and many will [seek to] refine them. ...but the knowledgeable will understand [will understand that the eror is their own ...the righteous will be granted understanding of the calculations when the time comes (Rashi)]."
Hershel-
Stay and care for your parents and ride the wings of eagles at the right time.
Stay Well
I agree with all of you. But I'm curious as to why Rabbi Yess is now hesitant when it comes to believing prophecies.... why the about turn?
I would like to clarify and apologize for something that I wrote. Upon reading the latter reactions to my comments, no ONLY Rav Moshe is exempt from my comment about those who take delight in the suffering to come. There are clearly others and I thank those people for speaking up.
The above posts are focused on the merits of relatively simple questions that, to a certain extent, ignore a larger reality.
People ask: Is war imminent? If so, who will live and who will die in the coming conflict? Is it safer to live in Israel or safer elsewhere? Will we have a better life here or there? Can we afford to move? Or must we endure our luxurious lifestyle (all things being relative) where we are now? Any number of questions are posed. But all of them tend to obscure more important questions.
Death is after all inevitable. And safety in one place versus another is by the Hand of God. In the end there is often, very little that one can do about his particular situation. What then, is our duty to God and family? In the midst of all this turmoil and the many decisions we face, what should we do?
I think when all is is said and done, the most important question we should ask ourselves, is whether we are, by our actions, sanctifying the Name of God.
The nations say, for example, that as long as a Jew is unable to live in Israel, it proves that God is "incapable" of keeping his Promise. This results in chillul HaShem. The reverse is also true. Every time a Jew returns to Israel, it tends to sanctify God's Name.
But does this mean we MUST all return NOW?
The Jewish people, as a whole, have been and are continually returning to Israel. And therefore, the Jewish people have been and will continue to sanctify God's name. This is just one of many reasons why He calls them His treasured and splendorous people. The nations are well aware of this. And some are NOT particularly pleased (witness "the wolves" in Annapolis).
Meanwhile...
Regardless of circumstances, for those still in the Diaspora, it is important to keep alive the hope of return and/or make plans to return, even if those plans never materialize. Indeed, if the prophecies discussed in this blog are being fulfilled as suggested, then we will continue to see the plans of more and more Jews "materialize," until all have been ingathered to Israel.
As for current events, are the amazing parallels we've seen over the last few years just a coincidence?
For the past two thousand years, the relevance of prophetic texts was minimal, and attention to such things was generally discouraged. But the Jewish people have once again returned to the Land. And the measure of "relevance" has undergone a paradigm shift of unprecedented magnitude.
The parallels are indeed more than coincidence. And we ALL feel it in the depths of our soul. Bleak as the picture may be, to some, God has promised to "set us up for renown" and we all KNOW that something is imminent. That is why "the picture" is so exciting to others.
Exactly what will happen was known from the very beginning and written of by our Prophets. One has only to delve into the texts. That is what this blog is about. It is a discussion of the "parallels" and "coincidences" as they apply to current events. And that is why you are reading it. You see the parallels yourself and you want to make the best decisions you can in light of those events.
For those concerned about their safety in one place or the other... don't be. Consider your options carefully. Do what you must. But above all, trust in God. At the time of the Exodus from Egypt, those who placed their trust in God not only escaped the plagues, they also received the Torah.
For now, it is sufficient to know that everything is from God. And everything that has been promised will be fulfilled. May He shine a new light on Zion and may we all speedily merit that light.
The Melitzer Rebbe said (see LazerBeams) that aliyah is a personal issue and one cannot force all Jews to do it. The most important thing is for each Jew to be connected to Hashem and Torah!
Anyway, maybe we should think, Am I going to Israel to save my tail, or am I going there because Hashem wants me there? If it is the former then perhaps that's a bad reason to make Aliyah. WE should yearn and desire to make the move.
As a seasoned Yerushalmi told me, wait for the opportunity to come, not for Moshiach to get you there. However for most of us, Moshiach will be the opportunity.
Oh yes, and still yearn for Moshiach to come NOW!
Dov, great post, but please, no plagues!
Cheers!
Zeev says:
My first attempt at writing this response did not go through so I will try again. My apologies for advising that all blog contibutors are in glee over the pending plagues. Upon submitting my response, I realized that some do understand my point. For those who do, thank you for speaking out. We should wish all of our fellow Jews well and the righteous gentiles as well, wherever they live. We are supposed to be a light unto all nations, so we might as well hope for the redemption of nations, rather than blood lust for their downfall and utter destruction.
Happy Channukah to all.
Dov and All:
Some months ago a commentor mentioned unusual goings on in Yesha. Can anyone shed any boots-on-the-ground light on the story that JEWISH-OWNED firearms are being confiscated there?
BS"D
Reb Dov
I am an averech at a very mainstream heradi ashkenazi kollel. I used to be a bit more hardal and lived in the Shomron for a few years. I an a yekish Herschian thinker it is not my derech to make a big deal of dreams, but the timing and content of this dream leaves me wondering. I did tell this dream to my Litvish Rosh Kollel (formerly the moshgiach of a major Jerusalem Yeshiva) and he was filled with great simcha saying "May we all be redemed quickly and our enemies should fall like straw."
I am not sure whet to do with this dream but finding your blog on the net I assume you might know who to pass this on to.
My Dream on The morning of Shabbos 28 Kislev 5768 Mikeitz:
The dream starts out as I and my wife and children along with other Jewish families are walking through what appears to be a very recently abandoned village of unknown occupancy in what seems to be in the southern Yehuda area.
I notice that all stone structures are collapsed and destroyed. Wood structures (American style wood frame and drywall structures) and caravanim appear to be damaged or knocked off of their foundations leaving walls crooked and cracked but still standing. The strangest structure is what appears to be shaped like a house made from string bound grass mat (the kind that you can buy sometimes as a roll in Arab markets) these appear to be totally undamaged.
As I am looking at this third strange grass house I hear disciplined gunfire that is unlike what Arabs usually use (single shots instead of hosing away on full auto). I come around a pile of stone rubble to see 4 men who I assumed to be Arabs taking rapid but carefully aimed shots as though they had been properly trained to shoot, I do not see their targets. They are standing straight up and appear to show no fear of resistance as the shoot. I realize at this point that I am carrying a rifle and I must eliminate this threat. I begin to say Shema fearing they will kill me in the exchange of fire but I quickly and accurately shoot and kill all four men each with a single aimed shot before they can return fire. At this point I realize that I am very short on ammunition and rush up to the position of the four men to hopefully reload from their ammunition. When I arrive I see that three are carrying M-16 shorties the same type of rifle carried by the Israel army (and the US army) with ACOG scopes also a common Israeli and US item (Israel frequently gives their own weapons to the Arab terror squads as a payoff so to assume they are Israeli weapons is reasonable), but the fourth has a gun called a SAW which is an American light machine gun I also realize the rest of their equipment is American issue and this makes me very angry. As I am making this surprising realization about the source of their equipment a blast wave from a distant explosion from the south hits and although I am safe behind the rubble pile it is powerful enough to roll over a truck parked not far from where I am crouching. Moments later I feel a very hot flash against my left cheek and neck(I am crouched facing southeast) and closing my right eye and squinting my left I see a fireball forming to the north. I recognise the hills and realize that a small nuclear device has been airbursted over Ramalla. (I was a contractor for an American FEMA related agency for a short time right after 9/11 specializing among other things in WMD) I assessed the size of the device to be a five to ten kiloton tactical device large enough to destroy most of Ramalla but only break windows in yeshuvim and towns nearby and possibly blind anyone looking right at the fireball at the moment of detonation. As I saw the nuclear explosion I either heard or said Moshiach is here! I then awoke with a start and went to daven shachris for Shabbos.
You can see why I am hesitant to tell this strange dream under my own name.
A Frelicha Chanukkah
Yekki Dreamer
BS"D
To Devorah,
There has been no about turn on my part. Nor have I ceased to believe in any Prophecy found in Tenach. What has occurred is a realization that we cannot pin any Prophecy about Gog and state with certainty (as has been done here repeatedly) that G. W. Bush is beyond any question one and the same as the Gog entity spoken about in our Book of Prophets. That "dot connection" lacks any solid proof. It is solely a speculation...and a wild one at that.
When we witness multinational troops trying to take control of the Holy Land in a military manner...and then we witness thereafter Hashem wiping them out as described in our Prophecies...then and only then do we have any substantive "proof" that Gog has been accurately identified, has come and has been clobbered. As of now we have no solid verification of who Gog is....and he has certainly not been clobbered as portrayed in the Prophecies about him.
I trust this clarifies your misperception.
Rabbi Moshe Yess
BS"D
To Devorah,
There has been no about turn on my part. Nor have I ceased to believe in any Prophecy found in Tenach. What has occurred is a realization that we cannot pin any Prophecy about Gog and state with certainty (as has been done here repeatedly) that G. W. Bush is beyond any question one and the same as the Gog entity spoken about in our Book of Prophets. That "dot connection" lacks any solid proof. It is solely a speculation...and a wild one at that.
When we witness multinational troops trying to take control of the Holy Land in a military manner...and then we witness thereafter Hashem wiping them out as described in our Prophecies...then and only then do we have any substantive "proof" that Gog has been accurately identified, has come and has been clobbered. As of now we have no solid verification of who Gog is....and he has certainly not been clobbered as portrayed in the Prophecies about him.
I trust this clarifies your misperception.
Rabbi Moshe Yess
To Yekki Dreamer:
When I was 10, its was the height of the "new cold war" when Reagan just got elected. We watched movies called "Red Dawn", threatening the invasion of America by communists. In my school we did "nuclear attack" drills. I was very scared.
One night I had a dream. The nuclear warheads were coming. But there was peace. They detonated, I felt nauseous, and then, in a wave of pressure, peace. Everything was OK in this "place", my parents were still "alive" and I was OK.
I then saw rows and rows of people in white robes, standing, waiting.
Then I awoke. I was never again scared of nuclear bombs. Only 20 years later was I to learn that we Jews believe in life after life and a final judgment.
As for your dream, since it was on Friday night, it has questionable substance. The Gemara is parek haroeh questions the reliability of dreams on Shabbos night (according to some, because of the Shabbos food and the change in eating schedules).
You dream also has questionable elements because you worked with WMD, so this is something could easily bleed into the dreamworld and further effect a accuracy of a dream
Bottom line, there are keys to dream interpretation according to Torah:
1. Best night for dreams is motzei' shabbos. Yom rishon is the principle night when the neshama uploads/downloads (if you will).
2. Examine your dream and ensure that "bleeds" from everyday life are taken into account and their effects minimized.
3. Be sure to cross-reference perek haRoaeh in Brachas to see if there is a pashut match (e.g. dream of bird, dream of snake, dream of going to a roof, dream of being on a boat, etc.). If you have a dream that's in the Gemara, then you have pashut had a communication.
There is so much more, but its a start. . .
Thank you Shosh. You are a tzaddekes.
I have watched the comments to this blog entry come in. First I must say that I never intended for the most recent entry to hurt anyone by suggesting that the righteous and the bainoni (those with an abundance of good deeds with a few skeletons in the closet) should suffer with the unrepentent wicked. I hope when the plagues do begin in earnest that this should not happen. I realize that with Hurricane Katrina after Gush Katif's destruction many good people did suffer with the wicked of New Orleans. I can only hope and pray that now that we have entered the last year of Gog UMagog, G-d separates out the wheat from the chaff.
Secondly, to Moshe Yess:
I admit to having made President George W. Bush into Gog son of Gog a major theme of this blog. Therefore, if it turns out that he is not the Gog of the prophets and that seven full years pass since he started bombing Afghanistan on Hoshana Rabba, 5762 without the redemption in full swing, I will reassess the continued operation of this blog. There is always the possibility that there will be a third Gog, probably George Prescott Bush, the Hispanic nephew of the present Gog W. But in my mind there is a 99% probability that the redemption should be in full swing before Gog W. leaves office. I have believed this since Gog W. first ran for Governor of Texas back in the early 90s that he would complete the work of his father which was to conquer Babylon and to divide Jerusalem. And I believe it to be his mission in his final year as President.
Dov,
I want to thank you for shring all your insights. Often times I notice in terms of the general themes of these 7 years you have been right on. There is a tremendous feeling and one that can be seen in world affairs going on right now that the huge climactic struggle is coming to crescendo. We must all be careful no to get to detailed, because are precisely the things that will instill confusion in all of us. 99% is pretty good. I think it is very hard to look at the world and not see the events of the prophets taking place in front of us. But we need to be careful about how these events will be fulfilled. The Tanach is vague on purpose, meaning we can see the themes and the characters, but exactly how it all fits is sometime a little hazy.
Chanukah Somayach,
Dovid
To Yekkie:
I realize anything can be done in a dream, and it is not always accurate, but how do you explain:
"...I am crouched facing southeast) and closing my right eye and squinting my left I see a fireball forming to the north...."
If one is facing SE, might it be necessary to turn the head a little to see to the N? Is Ramallah NE, N, or NW? Isn't it more NW from a SE point? Maybe I'm being too too ....
To Dov:
I also see George Bush fitting into the GOG description, especially after Annapolis, and now that he's going to visit the Israel, PA, & Gulf States (and all those earthquakes in the area). It seems what's driving him is (subconsciously fulfilling) this prophecy surrounding GOG, and his fateful encounter in the valley with Hashem.
But at the same time, the competion coming from Putin to wrestle world power from Bush seems to be what the end of Daniel 12:9-13 alludes to. I hear Putin has vested interests in Israel (an oil pipeline and strategic property), and has warned everyone not to harm them. Plus I heard both Russia and Iran have submarines in the Black Sea watching their interests (oil) and each other.
What historical figure could Putin represent?
Dov, are you familiar with the supposed 149 missing days in the formation of our calendar; that in fact we may be between 83 and 66 years from 6000?
This means we could be way into the years of kibutz golios, which is supposed to last 60 years (?).
How would you that fit into the scenario?
Dear moshe,
Your logic seems to suggest that the true proof of a prophecy can only be known after the fact. That’s great, except there is one problem…. Hashem, who is by the way is beyond any logic, continuously tests our faith and trust in Him. He sends us messages, individually and as a community, to require certain actions from us. It’s up to us if and how we “read” those messages.
A simple example would be noach’s situation. The reason he was gathering wood publicly for 120 years was to get people’s attention and give them an opportunity to do teshuva. He was warning them about the flood. I’m sure he himself was sad about the whole situation and didn’t want all these people to die, young and old. But he was just a messenger. According to your logic, the only “proof” of the prophecy was the actual flood itself , right? Because anything said before it happened were just words. But when the flood came it was too late for anyone to do anything.
My point is that we shouldn’t wait for “proof”, but we must pay careful attention to what’s going on and try to “read” what messages Hashem is sending us. From that we can choose our actions, hopefully in the direction of welcoming our King Moshiach. In the end of the day, if our interpretation of those messages is wrong , one can honestly say “I’ve tried my best” and let Hashem judge. But to sit and wait for proof, in my opinion, is not what is required of us.
kind regards
Dov said,
"I admit to having made President George W. Bush into Gog son of Gog a major theme of this blog. Therefore, if it turns out that he is not the Gog of the prophets and that seven full years pass since he started bombing Afghanistan on Hoshana Rabba, 5762 without the redemption in full swing, I will reassess the continued operation of this blog....But in my mind there is a 99% probability that the redemption should be in full swing before Gog W. leaves office. "
1% sure versus 99% sure - probability - there's little difference. It's not absolute is it? Can you say, "Thus says Hashem." No. I'd encourage you not paint yourself into a corner. Be humble, if it isn't correct - Bless Hashem - Learn and keep your blog open for more learning; only with more humility. I've learned many things here - Even if you're wrong.
Hang in there Dov.
That Kansas Guy...Chuck
BS"D
No rudeness intended, Dov...but you keep moving the goalpost(s)and leaving yourself a back door to rewrite or revise former calculations that did not materialize as forecasted.
It's almost the end of Chanukah. You made a prediction about events occurring by this Chanukah prior to last Pesach in a personal email to myself. So far zip, zero, nada.
Now we have Bush III...as another back door option.
As much as... or possibly even more so than yourself...I want Bush II to actually be Gog. But I am wary of "ketz" predictions...and with much justification..as you well know.
I have no desire to throw cold water on Yiddishe Emunah for Geula and Moshiach. However...great Tzaddikim have made failed "keitzim" predicitions in the past. People became despondant after having their hopes dashed.
I respectfully request (on behalf of myself at least) that as opposed to you making dogmatic statements such as "Bush is Gog"...or "Gog W. Bush"...that instead you share with us in geat detail what is driving your 99.9% certainty that he IS Gog. What is the basis from Torah for your Bush equals Gog equation.
More specifically...what was the epiphany you had that led you to the following statement you just made:
"I have believed this since Gog W. first ran for Governor of Texas back in the early 90s that he would complete the work of his father which was to conquer Babylon and to divide Jerusalem. And I believe it to be his mission in his final year as President."
Perhaps by sharing your Torah basis for this personal belief you expound here at your blog we could better see the Torah basis for it too?
Respectfully,
Rabbi Moshe Yess
Reb Dov,
Regardless of who Gog turns out to be in real life, this blog and the Torah which you are disseminating is a powerful source of chizzuk to many. Please, let's not forget... HaShem deliberately has obscured details of the kaeitz. So we must not be dissappointed.
I think its worth mentioning that until the first moment of Geula I am pretty certain there will still be skeptics , hence room to be skeptical. To be able to "prove" it now is impossible or where would our free will be. However I think it is abundantly clear that the final act is in motion. I applaud and encourage Dov to continue his work and deliver his theories whenever he has the chance. I have seen it explained that the warning against making a keitz is only when you say if not then G-d forbid then never but to actively envision and theorize how the process is unfolding right before our very eyes, spells emuna shlaima to me! Keep up the great work! We shall see it in our time!
Dov, might I make a suggestion/request:
Make a post saying what dates will prove/disprove your theories.
I.e. if the Moshiach isn't obvious by 7 years after the invasion of Afghanistan which is Oct 19,20 2009, then the belief that GW is Gog is incorrect.
If the Beit HaMikdash doesn't start being built by date x, then 5766 was not the year 66.
Write it in stone so there can be no doubt.
while it's true to say there have been 'false messiahs' before for the jewish people, current circumstances differ entirely from what went before, for a number of reasons.
firstly, no-one is in the frame for being today's moshiach. in the past, there was always a charismatic individual on the scene, whose followers believed he was moshiach, and then 'cut' all prophecy to fit their cloth.
there is no-one around today that 'fits' the role of moshiach, at least openly (he's obviously out there somewhere!)
secondly, when shabtai tzvi etc was proclaiming the geula, jews were still deep in exile and none of the prophecies regarding end of days had occurred.
today, we are back in israel, and we can see the prophecies unfolding before our eyes, thanks in no small part to the efforts of reb dov, amongst others, to make them accessible to us.
lastly, dov is by no means the only person saying we are on the cusp of redemption - practically every religious jewish leader is saying the same thing. are they are all wrong?
regular people can feel in their hearts and souls that something is 'up' - that's why we have so many people looking into aliyah at the moment.
also, if you go to a site like: www.dani18.com and read the messages that jewish autistics are giving over about redemption, it's clear that Hashem is sending us signs in a myriad of different ways. Dov's blog is just part of a much larger tapestry of information - and it's all pointing to the same thing.
i live in the west bank (having recently moved here from london) and current circumstances are quite scary. but it's part of Hashem's plan to bring us all back to him, to get us to do true teshuva, and to start us on the long road of doing what He wants us to do, and not just what suits us or is convenient.
i am praying for the geula every day - i know for a fact that if i lived back in london, i wouldn't be.
if people are only worrying about what's going to happen to them, as individuals, instead of what is going to happen to the AM, our people, they are missing the point. but it's never too late to change, and to really start trying to do what Hashem wants us to do - which is where blogs like Dov's provide a very welcome impetus.
THE BRITTISH LEFT BASRA
ANY COMMENTS??
Every reference to BaTZra indicates it is a major city in Edom which corresponds today with the US/EU/Russia. Personally, I do not believe it is one and the same with the BaSra of Iraq.
Dov keep up the good work, don't be discouraged by the detractors! We are waiting for a new post on all the new developments; Gog W. visit,Basra,70 nations meeting in Paris, continuing insanity from Olmert, etc. etc.... Please post something soon we are very anxious!
Bush is coming in January- with 2000 troops!
My home is in the Shomron. and all here are not going like sheep to the slaughter. Hashem's vengence is going to be serious.
But we didn't leave America to have them come here!
Who am I - well, I'm just a girl.
what point in the story do you think Gog's upcoming visit to Istael will be a part of?
Curious what you think of the following post 27 dec:
http://keitzmeguleh.blogspot.com/
If anyone is interesting in seeing an alternative timeline, see my blog post "The Sprouting of Moshiach" at:
http://keitzmeguleh.blogspot.com
Dov, where are you???? We so DESPERATELY NEED YOU.
Hershel
Well, I think Dov is waiting for the next "time altering event" before posting. Pres Bush is arriving on the 8th, the govt. has spent millions of shekels to beautify (security cameras, recording equip., sensors, et al) in preparation.
Personally, I don't know anything, the following is purely my estimation, but:
The Economist Magazine featured prominently on its cover, President Bush, as "Mr Palestine, the only man who could make it happen."
"It is customary to lead out a beast with the hooks in its jaws because it does not want to go [voluntarily]. I, too, will put thoughts into your heart and an urge that will draw you from your land to come upon Israel." Rashi on Ezekiel 38:4
Yechezkel - Chapter 38
"...And you shall say; So said the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal. And I shall unbridle you, and I shall put hooks into your jaws and bring you forth and all your army, horses and riders, all of them clothed in finery, a great assembly, with encompassing shield and buckler, all of them grasping swords...."
"army, horses and riders" ?
Aren't these the black men on black horses that helped empty Gush Katif, and aren't these the same that might be traveling in those other planes with Pres Bush to provide security?
And, to top it all off, the head of Israel's security is none other than he who provided same for PM Rabin!?
Just some thoughts for everyone.
Hello, Dov,
We are all waiting impatiently for your next perush. Please....
Daisy
Dov,
It's Parshas BO
...come to Paroh...!
Bush is coming to Eretz Yisrael
...come to me said Hashem...
Is there anything in the Parsha that you could link this up with? Could it be?
nu dov
why the long silence - there are so many things going on, and the jpost often reads as a 'confirmation' of many things you've posited on this blog, including NATO forces being suggested for judea and samaria, G-d forbid.
please post if you can - we really value your insight.
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