Sunday, November 18, 2012

Pogroms in the United States

I realize that bombs are flying all over the southern third of Israel, but it is time with Rav Lazer Brody's permission to publish the third thing that Rav Yehudah Ze'ev Leibowitz told Rav Shalom Arush Shlita before he passed on.  Here is Rav Brody's original post on the matter:

Rav Brody has expanded on this over the last several months when I have had personal conversations with him which we have about once per month.   He has said the following about what Rav Leibowitz actually said.

1. Not only would there be chaos in the Arab World, but they would start killing each other in very large numbers.  5000 dead per month in Syria since Tisha B'Av qualifies.  So for number One....check

2.  Bibi will want to attack Persia, but Divine Providence will stop him from doing so.  And in the End the great last war (probably in the Shmittah year 5775) will be between the West and Persia.  And another or third party which we spoke about in the comments section in an earlier post, the son of a Shifchah named Gigi.  Again this will likely occur in 5775, but it could happen this year.  If G-d wants to speed this up, He will.)....check   Note:  I cannot mention in a post per se who is the son of a shifchah named Gigi since he is our secret weapon at the End of Days.  His identity is discussed in a previous post and not the one about Medrash Sefer Eliyahu.  It is well hidden, but can be discovered if you read all the comments to previous posts.  I have temporarily deleted the comments in the previous post about this matter.  Sorry, I should not have given away a secret about the son of Gigi.  best to let the secret remain a secret.  I erred, and now I have to do teshuvah for this.

3.  The third thing that Rav Leibowitz said which was secret until now is...that there will be pogroms in the United States.    Now that Obamanation has miraculously been re-elected with the help of Hurricane Sandy, Rav Brody and Rav Arush have decided to make this known to anyone who will listen.  Number 3 is no longer a secret.  Here is my exchange with Rav Brody on this issue by email since he is still in the US doing kiruv in the redstate of Oklahoma (the state where the traffic control guy in Tulsa was giving directions to the Canadian border on the news after the re-election of Obamanation.)

Please leave the USA as soon as you can for Eretz Yisrael.  Open your Aliyah tik today.   In later posts I will try to give you all the tips that you will need including what to include in your 20 ft. or 40 ft. duty free lift or your three free suitcases (per person) on your free Wings of Eagles' Aliyah flight.

Rav Shalom now agrees that it should be published - pray that I get home safelY in another 40 hours - regards from Oklahoma City. With blessings always, LB
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Pelephone

More later.  I will continue this post if HaShem grants me the strength later on.

UPDATE: It is time to give up on your basements and the gashmiyut that you can sock away in them.  There are very few homes with basements in Eretz Yisrael.  Yes, I know that is one of the main reasons that you are reticent about leaving.  There is no place in an Israeli home to sock away so much gashmiyut, and one cannot accrue more money in one's 401K either.  What a country!  Yet, there is plenty that you can bring, and the next post will try to give you tips on what you can bring on your 20 foot or 40 foot duty free lift from America.  In the Midwest there is Broadway Appliance in Aurora, Illinois next to Chicago for 220V major appliances, some of which are cheaper if purchased in the United States.  In New York there are many 220V appliance stores that box major and minor appliances for export.  But first set up your Aliyah tik with the Israeli Consulate near you, or at least be in contact with a Shaliach.  But please please help the poor come too.  more later.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that all the Jews should leave the US, but what about those who truly wish to but are unable to on account of ill health, crushing debt, joint child custody, and the like.

There is a heart wrenching comment on shiratdevorah,,
from M, who desperately wants to come back to Israel, but is unable to.

As you are in touch with these rabbis, please ask them what these people should do.

11/19/2012 12:46 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Jews should move as entire communities and provide for the poor amongst them. The opportunity is, as it has been for a long time, now. no more games. recognition of the obvious truth, that Hurricane Sandy came to uproot Jews from New York and to bring about the re-election of Obamanation, a truly evil prophetic figure from the Book of Daniel who is half Muslim and half Xtian. Let me think hard about the destitute who want to come. But please tell people who are making Youtube videos about rebuilding Seagate and the Five Towns, they should be concentrating their efforts on leaving the US with whatever they have left. And funds should be immediately set up for the poor to come with them. That is how it should be done. How American Jews figure out what they will actually do, may become a crying shame. Can anyone else figure out a solution to this right now?? Time is of the essence.

11/19/2012 12:56 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I will speak to Rav Brody, and I am sure he will be writing a post about this soon.

11/19/2012 12:57 AM  
Anonymous Fangyu said...

When Israel's enemies fired at Jerusalem Israel, all bets are off.

11/19/2012 1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Rav Leibowitz said when will be pogrom?

11/19/2012 3:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you make aliyah you for the most part control your debt, while it is of course preferable to pay everything off should you have the capitol to do so, at least for most people who cant pay everything at 100% lump sum creditors will not bother you too much here and have little power. You can make an arrangement on much better terms often cents on the dollar after a few years and a chance to restart fresh.
Also the crazy no forgiveness punitive student loan rules do not have international reach.
Even better is that for every oleh we are even closer to the 50% of Jews in E"Y when the yovel year will be in force again and all debts will be forgiven B"H this time without a prozbul.
One of the most terrifying things in the gemara and even the zohar is the spiritual effects of non repayment of loans so I hope the prozbul is forever banned soon.

11/19/2012 8:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with LB. This has been my fear for the last four years. Obama has a large base of supporters who have been college educated in the political correct, pro palestinian swamp. Some are roaming bands of Black "youth" They find victims, most always white and they try do their best to kick their heads in. They have the "knock out" game where they find an unsuspecting victim and try to knock them out with one round house punch while someone else films it. You will see I am telling you the truth if you put 'knock out game' or 'flash mob' in Google. They laugh and enjoy themselves. These are the feral children of Ham who embody the characteristics of Amalek

Here is what Obama supporters had to say after he won his second term:

11/19/2012 9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe R'Brody obtained smicha from Rabbi Noah Weinberg at Aish HaTorah, but they now deny any connection with him. What is going on?

11/19/2012 4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cannot get a free 20 or 40ft lift. A 20 ft lift from Kef International costs around $12,000USD. Where did you get your information? I am almost done with my aliyah tik. We have to meet with the Jewish agency for the final interview. I contacted NbN and they said there is NO free lift. At least $12,000 from the NE section of America.

11/19/2012 7:42 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

duty free lift. The lift is not free, but you will not have to pay duties on it if you only bring one of each 220V appliance. The 2nd appliance of the same thing is not duty free. When we came, our lift was less than $8000, I recollect. I will check exact prices later. We came in 2003.

11/19/2012 7:58 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Anonymous, what is supposedly free is that your household stuff is not taxed upon aliyah - supposedly.

You have been quoted a reasonable price, but you might find better deals if you can be flexible with dates, or if you are able to arrange ground transportation to a different harbour. Tell that to the shipper. Also, take care of filling out yourself all the paperwork. Every day at customs is a load of extra money spent. Delays happen for whatever reasons or for no reason at all. You might want to ask for help from your Israeli family, friends or employer if your container is not released immediately.

Wishing you success in Israel.

11/19/2012 8:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you pay for the lift if you can't even pay for your ticket? What money? What basement? Half the Jewish population or at least the charadi one in the U.S is living in bad conditions, poor neighborhoods and have no savings...who are these rich Jews you keep saying are living in lurxary? No one aorund us is in N. America. I'm sure few are, like Hollywodd maybe and some Baali Yshiva but not normal Jews. Stop insulting us by generalizing us according to stereotypes of the "rich American uncles", a steely call us in Israel. Point is, if you don't qualify for Aliya assistant and can't afford tickets, you are on your own with HaShem only by your side , clearly if we could all have moved we would have already since we know what is going on. To tell us about a lift that costs $12,000 when we can't even afford one ticket and if we did we would live homeless in Israel on the streets begging for food and shelter for our children. I see that of Jews have means they should get out now but there are no solutions for many of us without money.

11/19/2012 8:10 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Your Aliyah ticket is totally free (chinam that is without any cost whatsoever) if you come as a Jew under the Law of Return, Chok HaShvut. Three suitcases per person on your free El Al flight are also free. Then there is Sal Klitah which is a hefty sum per month for each member of your family for at least 7 months. Correct: the 40 foot lift is not cheap. Then look into a 20 foot lift. more later

11/19/2012 8:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov, not everyone qualifies for Aliya services . I'm a returning citizen, other then customs relief and a small discount on tickets there is not help. You forget about people like us and thing we can all do Aliya and get services, many like me can't. We have no money at all in savings, we lost our home, we live in an apartment with 3 kids and all we have is crushing debts, if we sold everything in the house, there will not be enough to buy one ticket even on a discount. We will have no where to go in Israel, no welcoming family we will be homeless the moment we land. I have been waiting for Mossiach for years and all we have left is trust in HaShem. All your solutions and critique could be well served for those who have A basement or even a home, in my community there is poverty and families who are hungry during Chagim, but we have Emuna in H"B. I'm sorry it's not enough for you and you are still convinced that somehow we live great dreamy lives. I've been in touch with all the agencies, no help for people like us we are destitute so at least I ask your compassion and heart as to stop stereotyping us all as rich or too comfortable to leave and so on. Words hurt and I learned that you have to account for each word that you say. Your intention is probably pure but the delivery is poor. You say you care for us and just want to warn us and later you will say I told you so.....but the moment we tell you the is no possible way to get out, all bets are off.
I'm sorry that you feel that we are spoiled, rich and so on. The Emet is different then the typical stereotype of us all. Just pray that H"B fulfills his promise from the Torah and that he will gather us from the four corners of the earth instead,
Thanks, M

11/19/2012 8:29 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Plus I realize that there are many poor Jews. This is why that this move across the Atlantic should be done as a community. There was going to be such a community in Kochav Ya'akov years ago called the Tendler group from Monsey, NY. Rav Mordechai was here with his esteemed father, Rav Moshe Tendler. He wanted to pick up his entire community in Monsey and move here. He and his wife even poured concrete for two of the cornerstones of their new home!! Unforeseen circumstances prevented them from coming. We all here wish that it had worked out. The ceremony to start building what has become "Shlav Hey" here was beautiful. At least he had the right idea.

11/19/2012 8:34 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, the situation for returning Israelis is different. I admit to not knowing those rules. I pray really hard that Jews who want to be here, can get here. In the interim, Rav Ariel Bar Tzadok is setting up a community in Eastern Tennessee. Please be in contact with him. He has food storage and the means to protect it against roving gangs. I will get the link a bit later. Being with him is a 2nd best option. Tennessee is a redstate that went strongly for St. Iram (Santorum) in the primaries. At least a healthy portion of the neighbors are righteous gentiles especially in Eastern Tennessee, where the Noachide movement started in the US. As I said it is a 2nd best option and a much better option than remaining with abominable and Obamanable gentile neighbors on the Eastern seaboard.

11/19/2012 9:01 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Here is the link to Rav Ariel Bar Tzadok. The key to making it until Mashiach comes in Chu"l is to be away from indecent gentiles who will blame Jews when massive inflation hits or when there is a currency collapse or an economic collapse. The test in this generation is "with all your possessions". So find Jewish communities or communities of Jews and righteous gentiles in country locations away from large cities in states that originally voted for Santorum (St. Iram) in the Republican primaries. Here is Rav Bar Tzadok's info.

He was told by his Rav in Jerusalem to set up this community right now for what is about to happen. So he is ready for your phone call. He is Sepharadi and has some rules. You will have to speak to him about his rules. There is a reader of this blog named Ariella who wants to set up a community in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. If she writes with details, then contact her too.

11/19/2012 9:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dov, I agree with you about defending ourselfs, we like the others in the orthodox community didn't vote for the O like most of the liberal secular brothers of ours, I know that because we know many Jews who are secular. My husband's work has to be done in the east coast, this is what his contract states. He is the only one working now and if we leave for Tennasee he will lose his job, I just don't know what to do, we have tried everything, I pray daily to H"B for help and not just for my family but all of us in diaspora. If you out the link of the Rabbi, I will contact him and even if maybe just to know that if everything goes down we might be able to get to him in time. Being a returning citizen complicates everything and as I said many Israeli's live here and like me can not move anywhere, we feel trapped. I wrote to you beacause I wanted you to know that many of us are trapped not because we want to stay with our wealth but because we truly can't do anything. That are also many sick elderly people and familes who are in no position to do anything, we completly relay in H"B and live the most modest life but we have a dream of moving and living in Yisrael still.
Thank you

11/19/2012 9:17 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

I looked at the website. Can you explain us the prominent banner "Revealing the secret: the actual, correct way to pronounce and use" (yes, *use*) etc. I was taken aback, to say the least.

11/19/2012 9:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daniela. He is the same Bar Tzadok who said on TV that suicide terrorists are victims.

11/19/2012 9:42 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

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11/19/2012 9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unless he is referring to the mentally deficient, retarded and girl's who have had relations with men and are ashamed and are coerced into killing themselves to cleanse their "honor." I believe some of these suicide murderers ARE victims. Hamas cynically seeks them out like a pedophile seeks out a troubled child to groom and to prey upon.

"Some" but of course not all.

11/20/2012 1:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for suicide bombers being victims, I had to interrogate a few who were caught traveling or before the device was active when I was in magav. They are brainwashed, often ultra humiliatingly male-raped several times, sometimes this is filmed and then they are offered a way to do 'teshuva' and restore their honor. Almost no Israeli or English speaker would fully understand Arab culture that being victimized and raped is considered a personal failing as all events are the will of Allah. This also explains the regular pattern of reckless behaviour often seen in Arabs, in Islam caution provides no safety and is a sign of faithlessness.
With suicide bombers it is promised that nobody will know of the rape, the family will get a cash bonus, and they will be martyr heroes among the Islamic world.
Most suicide bombers after the first few months of the second intifada were the weak cowardly type who was identified, targeted, and victimized; they are still the rodef and must be stopped with deadly force as early as possible but mostly there is no reason to hate the bomber so much as their handler teams.
If Israel could just understand the cultural difference, ignore the Europeans for a year or so and openly humiliate the Arabs in every battle they lost it would quickly break their fighting spirit and save many on both sides.

11/20/2012 11:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those wanting to get out of the US, and currently unable:
Don't lose hope!!! I also was stuck in the US, in a house that was underwater, debt, a divorce, etc. etc. When I opened my tik aliyah, I prayed MAYBE I could make aliyah in 2-3 years. I was on a plane in 6 months!
I did not do it. Hashem did!!! How?
First of all, open that tik aliyah! Create the vessel for Hashem to fill. Then, fill that vessel with prayers.
Obstacles are designed by Hashem to increase your desire. Increase your desire and your prayers, and G-d willing Hashem will remove all the barriers at the right time - remember, they were all from Him in the first place, if He can put them up, He can take them down!!!
In the meantime, fill the vessel. Every word of a prayer is a devar - a thing. Especially personal prayer. Beg Hashem for mercy and a free gift! Talk to Him in your own words, open your heart. Ask Him to enable you to finish whatever you need to do there, and bring you back to Israel.
Strengthen your emuna - if you don't believe Hashem can bring you to Israel, then He will not. But if you believe He can, then He is not removing your free choice by doing so! Forget about what it looks like b'derech hateva - the natural way. With emuna, miracles are natural, because truly everything is a miracle, and everything is natural.
Finally, strengthen your personal holiness. The land of Israel is the land of emuna and holiness. You need both to live and thrive here.
For more information on these concepts, read The Garden of Emuna by Rabbi Shalom Arush.
Don't give up hope. Hashem can protect you anywhere in the world. But if you want to be in Israel, Hashem can do that too - no matter what the obstacles. I'm living proof!

11/20/2012 12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can you be so sure about R. Bar Tzadok and not feel that this could possibly be cultist and dangerous? I'm not saying it is. Have you read his writings? They are not mainstream Orthodoxy.
What if you run there and then you're trapped?
People need to be realistic Dov. You are not a prophet and neither are the ones you quoted.
You can run but you cannot hide. That goes for here in Israel too. H"B has all of our addresses.

11/20/2012 12:26 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Amen, Brother or Sister!!

I will write more later on those who can't come for other reasons. I realize there are extenuating circumstances. And previously on this blog and on Mystical Paths, I wrote a series of articles last year about setting up G-d centered communities in places where there are large concentrations of righteous gentiles. In many ways, Rav Ariel bar Tzadok is a trailblazer. He knows precisely why he is trying to be communally self-sufficient amongst the gentiles of Eastern Tennessee. There are plenty of other places in "redstates" that went for St. Iram (Santorum) in the Republican primaries. The Missouri Ozarks especially in Southwest Missouri is another ideal place. Bull Shoals Lake half of which is in northern Arkansas is probably a better place than Table Rock Lake because the property around Branson is pricey. But you can at least speak with Rav Bar Tzadok about how to do this. Non-perishable food storage is a must. This should be done as a community, and people should learn to shoot if necessary to protect yourselves from roving gangs even though the neighbors of yours will likely be doing the same thing for their own groups of people. Many of these roving gangs will be anti-Semitic, but in the country away from the Obamanable cities, the numbers will be fewer. Animal husbandry skills with sheep and goats are an extra plus, but in this case Shochtim should be part of your group. The same goes for raising chickens. I put the word out last year. I even gave four surefire tips on recognizing righteous gentiles. Please reread what I wrote last year.

Yet, the commenter above is correct. Aliyah is the best option.

11/20/2012 12:43 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The situation in the South now is because of our intensely great evil deed that we did to each other in 5765. Until we do a tikkun for treating each other like garbage back in 5765 (this includes Sharon and all those who enabled him by joining his government especially in December of 2004 when he needed UTJ to form a new government before it collapsed into new elections), we will have constant reminders for the garbage that we pulled on each other 7 years ago.

You are right. I am no prophet. but the Tzadik Rav Leibowitz who is quoted here by Rav Lazer Brody and Rav Shalom Arush now has a track record. So if point number one came true, and point number two keeps coming true, then point number three will come true too. So the natural question is, what will everyone do to prepare? So both in this post and in the comments, I have outlined two options. Aliyah is the best option. Building a self-sufficient kosher community in the US amongst righteous gentiles is the 2nd best option. Everything involves prayer, chessed, ma'asim tovim, and it is a must to eat a third meal on Shabbat to be protected from this final great trial of Gog uMagog.

11/20/2012 12:55 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

You keep repeating, but no mainstream orthodox Rabbi is confirming these words. If some are, please post their names and we will check and our Rabbis will check. I have no idea about the suicide terrorists as victims and if they were words taken out of context or if it's false, I have no idea about the banner (which however I do not like: I know that respectable kabbalists exist even though I don't know any who are on the internet, but it is not something which is taught to anyone who asks, much less it is advertised), however it is a fact that normal mainstream rabbis want nothing to do with any of that, and actually, refuse to discuss the matter altogether. So it looks like that throughout Klal Yisrael there are only two people (alive and whom we can talk to) who are making those claims, R Arush and R Brody, am I correct or am I wrong? And even them, as some anonymous points out on yaak's blog, are not speaking up in public. They are alluding to pogroms, and inducing people to believe them being imminent (G-d forbid) but actually, they are quoting words which refer to an undetermined future. If they indeed believed Moshiach was imminent, they would tell everyone to borrow money to buy clothing and greet Moshiach with honor.

11/20/2012 1:33 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Daniela: I will respond to you later. But we are flesh and blood, and the best place to greet Mashiach is in Eretz Yisrael. The interim period also is very troubling, and people have to prepare for that. more about that later

I just want to correct a previous comment. I would suggest that you call Rav Bar Tzadok for his credentials or at least get tips on how to set up your own kosher communities. He now has great expertise on setting up such communities. Here is a link to his auto-biography:

You can ask him about the details yourselves. But whether you want to join his community or not, as I just said, he has valuable tips on how to set up your own communities.

So I repost a comment made above that is deleted with a similar comment.

Daniela: Yes, Rav Bar Tzadok is a student of Mekubalim. I believe that he is for real and is not a charlatan. And he is not with the Kabbalah Center. You will have to ask him, not me, about his credentials. You will also have to ask him specific questions on whether he is speaking of practical Kabbalah or is speaking of concentration during prayer. He was born in the US in New York, but he spent many years at Yeshivat Porat Yosef in Jerusalem and under the tutelage of Mekubal, Rav Meir Levi. He has been in the US for many many years, and I believe he was out in Los Angeles until recently.

I can't comment on what the most recent commenter said about him, calling suicide bombers terrorist victims. That would be obscene. I am sure he was taken out of context.

11/20/2012 2:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


My Rav, learns with these mekubalim who don't disclose themselves and has confirmed with me everything is as stated..massive antisemitism is coming the the USA shortly.

11/20/2012 3:45 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

re Aliyah

Whatever the Agency allows olim or returning Israelis is a GIFT. You should want to come here regardless.

One can send less than one or half containers of personal belongings. You can send as little as you want. That is what makes the price cheaper. We did it that way, under 3 thousand, add to that a couple more thousand for 'getting settled'.

One can rent an apt online from America, so one will have an address and a place to go to directly from the airport. We did that. Once here, Nefesh can help you make Aliya from ISRAEL, just bring all legal documents with you. The list is found on the Nefesh website. You can even request an absorption center.

Think small; bring minimum, what you will need to live on for a month. Each member is alloted 2 (or 3) suitcases on the plane. But you can send the rest of your 'minimum to live on' via a shipper.

Consider this as survival gear, not a house full of 'things'. Electronics can be bought here. But remember you don't need 'everything' you had in America, only the basics. You will be happier living downsized.

There are so many helping organizations here, gemachs, and used clothing/furn places. You won't be without.

What you will be is happier, safer, less complicated (after getting the JA and Nefesh paperwork finished).

You will be entering a NEW life full of wonderful experiences.

11/20/2012 3:48 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, downsizing is the key. When we brought the big lift and did not have a basement to sock away our gashmiyut, my wife helped me downsize anyway. Yet, the large appliances such as a refrigerator, freezer, steel tub washing machine, might be cheaper at 220V appliance dealers in the US. As a matter of fact, I am sure that they are, and you can bring them on your lift duty free. I mentioned Broadway next to Chicago in Aurora, IL. There are at least half a dozen such places in New York City. We also bought a few appliances from New York outlets. A waffle iron is a good thing to bring. could not find one in Israel. Most other small appliances can be purchased here. And by the way, many Israelis love their Amcor refrigerator. And the new models are great, but keep in mind they are more expensive. A lot of the added expense might be VAT which is now 17%. Also built in ovens are smaller here. So if you have those 9 by 13 baking pans, you should bring an oven so that they can fit side by side. There are so many many tips and a list of what to bring which I will post in a future post, probably next week. I am also writing a book about this. more later.

11/20/2012 4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you know Rabbi Bar Tzadok's immunity won't have miscreants? What screening process is he using?

11/20/2012 5:35 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

I spoke to Rav Bar Tzadok for about 45 minutes last week. He has a very strict screening process. We spoke mostly about his community. I am sure he will talk to others who meet certain criteria too. He begins asking questions over the phone. He prefers that people come down wearing yarmulkes without hats, and he checks for character midot too. Try calling down there.

11/20/2012 6:01 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

If you don't know this, one can rent apartments listed as 'furnished' with stove, frig, washer (in some), table & chairs and maybe a sofa.

Don't bring all those big items. Save the spending. It is best to bring some cash, set up a bank account asap here, and then transfer each week an amount less than 10,000 shekels (that is if you have over that much in a US bank). Otherwise, it gets reported to the US govt and you need to file tax papers.The banks are required to report large amts to the US govt. Best not to keep all your $$ in the US, but to transfer it to your Israel account, slowly.

11/20/2012 6:17 PM  
Blogger Neshama said...

I don't go for this 'go to the wildwoods' because there is a project called UN Agenda 21 and a UN Wildlands Project. Not safe in the wildwoods. Just Google them and check out Glenn's new book, Agenda 21

11/20/2012 6:20 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

If you are coming to an empty house that you plan on purchasing, do it my way. If you are renting a furnished apartment, do it Neshama's way. Yet, many apartments are rented out completely bare. For such apartments one should also bring closet organizers on the lift. We did that. Ikea has opened big outlets here in the last few years. So one can get what they have to sell here too. If you have hardwood closet organizers bring them. Wood and paper products are all imported here. We do not have a natural forest industry here. The entire Galil was clear cut by the Turks and the Mamluks before them. So many paper and hardwood products are best to bring on a lift. Sukkah walls come to mind. Toilet paper and A4 metric paper are best bought here. 8 1/2 by 11 paper is best bought in the US. It is called Quarto here, but it is not the standard in Israel even if it available and more expensive. Yet, if you plan on doing business with the US, you will need 8 1/2 by 11 paper. Throw in a large package of large dinner napkins from Sam's Club or Costco. And stuff your furniture, credenzas, Hutch and buffet that you already have with Brawny or Bounty quality paper towels. I have a lot of advice. I will include it in another post.

Yet, if you can find a completely furnished apartment, do it Neshama's way. I moved to a house with nothing in it. I even built closets for the house with the closet organizers that I brought with me on the lift.

Books: Feldheim and Moznaim Press all have their publishing houses here. So there is no need to buy those books in America. Artscroll has its Hebrew publishing house here. All Artscroll books published in Hebrew are published here. All of Artscroll's English sefarim are published in the United States. So bring all Artscroll English sefarim from the US on your lift. more later

11/20/2012 7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, guys you are speaking only to people who qualify for Aliya as we can see, not everyone qualifies. How do you rent an apartment here with no money or send a life as small as it is with no money? Be realistic. Nashama, good Aliya advice for this who can do it of course. It is not that easy when you have no money for the move, travel and so on. It worked for you, you had $3k for the lift and you were able to rent....none of that is free. I wish you guys will address concerns other them Aliya with NBN....
Think of what you would do if you couldn't open up a ticket with any agency or Aliya...what would you do?

11/20/2012 9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You keep repeating, but no mainstream orthodox Rabbi is confirming these words."

Mainstream rabbis aren't talking aliyah with their congregations. They don't like to talk about prophecy. I have attempted to talk about the weather with "mainstream" (also young) rabbi-- about the historical weather. His response was "It's always been this way." They don't want to talk about the end of days either. Said we aren't supposed to talk about it. I'm sorry, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the mainstream. I asked one why he didn't make aliyah and he answered "I can't make enough wife likes it here."

11/20/2012 11:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1st:re other Rabbis who say like Rav Arush & Rav Brody; I am in contact with several of the Nistarim (lamed-vav/36 hidden saintly sages) & Mekubalim Rabbis & they ALL say the same dire warning.

Do remember that "mainstream" rabbis are unfortunately too involved or "dug-in" in the "golden calf", the gashmiut (no matter they may say), into PC.
However I know of several "regular" hhareidi (strict orthodox rabbis in Israel also talking about upcoming pogroms in USA, in talks to their own congregations, but not in public.

2nd: Mainstream Rabbis in Germany 80 years ago ridiculed the Jews who warned of the upcoming holocaust. Nothing has changed except the location & date.

3rd: "My wife likes it here", "I can't make enough money" "We have friends..." etc ; my late mother za"l said these words were said by many german Jews when she was a child in Berlin.
That didn't keep them alive, quite the opposite. What would you prefer dying with your friends or living with people you just met?

4th: Suicide bombers = victims. aside from the reasons mentioned already, they are "victims" of a violent mindless hate culture & education system. Though that does NOT mean they should not be stopped & treated like any other "Rodef". In my active service days (the 60s)our orders regarding terrorists were "No prisoners, & none may escape".

5th: Listen I lived 30 years in USA, had 2 good going businesses, a nice big multistory house with big flowery gardens, new car every 2 years, a stereo worth several thousand $$s, etc. Dumped it & left! Now live in a 4 room apartment, no car, simpler life. DON'T regret the change 1 minute! Folks enough nonsense. The handwriting is on the wall! Come home, stay here no matter if difficult. NOW get "Garden of Emunah" & "Garden of Gratitude", open your Tik Aliyah, pray & get over here while you still can.

11/21/2012 1:41 AM  
Blogger LondonMale said...

If you make Aliyah, you may well be able to live in a Merkaz Klita (Absoption centre) for about six months. Both as a single and as a family. They are very low rent, sometimes even free. Some are combined with Hebrew classes (Ulpan).
They are usually "rough and ready", but you save cash during the initial few months when you will be learning Hebrew and probably not working.

Some people go for a Kibbutz option for their first few months. Again, cheap, and you learn Hebrew in classes whilst there.

The government payment you get for six or seven months when you arrive is called Sal Klita. You get cash when you land, and a monthly payment to an Israeli bank account after that, though it can be that months one and two arrive simultaneously in month two.
The amount depends on individuals, I guess the average will be $600 per month. You may also get anything from $100 - $1000 from Nefesh B Nefesh as a lump sum, after you have been in Israel for three months.
So basically if you do make Aliyah, sell off anything you do not need before you go to will need the cash!

11/21/2012 4:01 AM  
Blogger Neshama said...

"I wish you guys will address concerns other than Aliya with NBN....Think of what you would do if you couldn't open up a ticket with any agency or Aliya...what would you do? "

Sounds like there is an eventual new category of ALIYAH is being necessitated, perhaps like in Europe when transports were arranged. However the US is surrounded by water and only plane or boat can handle groups.

Open a file with NBN ANYWAY! You never know, if emerg escape plans include calling all Jews that opened a file and telling them to report to the ELAL counter for a flight to Israel!! One never knows. But you must do some hishtadlus!

There is alot of great advice here. One must think and plan for "getting out." Combine a move with friends or relatives, sharing an apt in the beginning. One can rent from the US on Janglo, Craigs List, Jlem Post (they adv all over country). Join the Nefesh blog, also there are local blogs like 'HarNof', "GivatShaul", found on YahooGroups.

Connect yourself with other people who live in Israel. This is "work" and does not come without effort. Write/contact NBN and tell them your story, your situation, perhaps they will be motivated to "create" an eventual solution for those financially strapped. A kibbutz is not a bad option, just choose one appropriate for your level of relig observance.

Try to contact/email Natan Sharansky directly. He should understand the dire straits some people are in. Doesn't hurt. No effort is useless. The JA is still operating under so-called 'normal' situations, I don't think it has dawned on them the soon to be situation of 'fleeing Jews from No America" (or trapped Jews in the UN name for the US, the 'Republic').

Sorry to sound in an 'emergency mode' but it takes a little time to gather yourselves for such a move, and it must be begun 'today'. Contact Zeev Bielski who says "My door will always be open to every Jew, wherever he is." There are also non-Jewish groups that will finance a Jew's return to Israel. I know someone who did it this way, but don't know the name of the group. Maybe one can Google to find out.

I do lose sleep worrying about friends and Jews left behind.

11/21/2012 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i didnt read all the comments but we made aliyah on 2011 and my husband is israeli, since we had a child born in america it was considered as olim family and we received the benefits. if both spouses are israeli with american children you should ask in NBN. We brought 1/3 of a container which costs us like 1400$. i dont know why it will cost about 12K. and i must say that in israel there is no need for so many things, even if you bring all your household it may not fit in your apartment, here everything is small size and it's quite difficult at the beginning, but i must say that there are so many GOOD things in israel that it pays off. we dont have a fancy life here but we are happy, we can send our children to jewish schools for free, health care, kosher food, no halloween or christmas. we are happy with my husband small salary, happier than what we use to be in US. both working, big suburb house, 2 cars and all the comfortable american life. (btw, before i forget i heard there is an organization that helps paying the cost of your lift, we didnt know when we made aliyah). and there is something else, any jew that want to come to israel and for many reasons can't you just must pray and it will happen. hashem will open the gates for you to come. emuna. good luck to everybody. life in israel is not easy but you get so many spiritual things that are worth more than anything. hodayah

11/21/2012 1:58 PM  
Blogger LondonMale said...

One more thing.

There is an organisation called JIA. They are very good with helping English speaking and Scandanavian Jews with advice. Especially for finding somewhere to live; they will even sit with you and help you read a housing website and let you use their phone to book viewing appointments

I would urge anyone who has made Aliyah to make an appointment to go to their nearest JIA office in Israel, to introduce themselves and see what help is on offer.

They also help with jobs. Not that they will give you a job directly, but they can help you network.

11/22/2012 12:45 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Ok, Rav Lazer has posted about Rav Leibowitz's prediction for America:

It is your responsibility to contact him to get more details. Or contact Rav Ya'akov Bar Nahman. May I leave your email Rav since you posted here?

11/22/2012 1:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen a lot about Mossad and 9/11 on the net recently. I am wondering if this will be the trigger for pogroms in the USA. I'm not saying that the theories about Mossad and any involvement in 9/11 are true. I am saying that this could be the issue that sets off pogroms here in North America. In any event, I believe that those that say they are coming are right. You can almost feel it.

11/22/2012 6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must read

11/26/2012 1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For people contemplating aliya, my advice would be to sell as much as your excess stuff as you can, and only bring essentials and items of sentimental value. Depending on your circumstances, it may very well be cheaper to buy new things in Israel, than having a lift sent over and keeping it in storage until you are settled. Obviously each person has to figure this out for their own circumstances. (And remember that things are different sizes in Israel, i.e. usually smaller). Regarding your property, my advice would be to sell up, even if it is heartwrenching not to get the optimal price you believe your home is worth. I have met Americans in Israel who made aliya, kept their property in America, and had to keep up repairs and the mortgage payments without a tenant.

11/26/2012 1:37 AM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Anonymous, I have a few questions.

If Moshiach is imminent, what is the problem with storage and home maintenance? I thought according to your opinion, Moshiach will be revealed fully within 9 months to three years, did I misunderstand?
If there is going to be trouble and war, surely we will need all our junk, not only for using (as there will be no prompt availability and no wide variety for sale in supermarkets) but also for lending, bartering and selling. Viceversa, cash and liquidity, which is usually a convenient method to buy whatever we need, would be worthless in the event of a currency collapse as this site has been predicting. Which way is it?
Finally, why are some people working so hard to make sure aliyah is one-way and people won't be able, say, to collect money for a return ticket and go back to their homes which they still own? Surely if Moshiach is revealed, property prices throughout the world will skyrocket and nonjews will run to be highest bidders and buy from a jew and have the honor of give him/her money. Surely if Moshiach is imminent, there is no reason to suffer financial loss. Moreover, if Moshiach is soon going to be king, no one will be interested in making yerida, so why all the effort to burn bridges behind our fellow jews?

On the other hand, if we indeed are close to B'itah, there is still something that needs to happen, namely, a false messiah will be revealed in Israel, someone who will lead astray the near totality of xians and muslims, and sadly, also a number of reshaim, who will be destroyed as well. While the false messiah will do impressive "miracles", I was taught that due to the weakness to the last generation which couldn't withstand a test like shabtai tzvi, this final false messiah will not qualify even as potential Moshiach.

11/26/2012 11:40 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Where does it say that the value of homes in Chutz LaAretz will skyrocket when Mashiach comes?? In America the value of homes might be 65% of their value that they were at in 2006...maybe. And Zecharia HaNavi says that the nations of the world will only be blessed with gashmiyut if they come to offer up their sacrifice in the Temple in Yerushalayim during Sukkot. It is unclear how the prosperity will be disbursed in Chutz LaAretz after Mashiach comes. And America who now accuses us of stealing from some mythical native inhabitant might find itself on the losing end of America's truly native inhabitants who might get most of their land back. They are waiting for the White Buffalo while we are looking for the Red Heifer. Whose to say that the White Buffalo might not actually show up when HaKodesh Baruch Hu sees in how much pain the native Americans are in?

11/26/2012 12:54 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Sorry Who is to say not Whose to say.

11/26/2012 12:56 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

The last redemption will be like the first redemption, and the exiles will empty the land from gold. You were not taught this? You do not believe this? You do not believe that like for a full year, jews in Mitzraim did whatever they wanted in public and the egyptians were completely powerless and impotent, the same will happen just before the last redemption, if it is B'itah?

Moreover, nonjews will recognize that blessings come to the land from jews, and will cover with money whoever has property in their land, since they are well aware the jew can sell it, and if he does, the land withers. And of course they will offer sacrifices on Sukkot - every nonjew who survives, will. You do not believe that either? You think nonjews will be able to try and deceive jews in the days of Moshiach HaMelech?

As for native americans and anglosaxons and all other nonjewish ethnic groups in north america, we are forbidden from getting involved in disputes which do not concern us; nobody but HKBH knows why native americans lost their lands or why african americans were deported as slaves, and it is none of our business to suggest it would be better had it not happened. And the white buffalo comparison with, lehavdil, the red heifer, seems to me out of place for a orthodox jewish website. I believe it is in fact forbidden to refer to any false belief which is not discussed in our holy Torah.

11/26/2012 1:50 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The White Buffalo is not an Avodah Zarah even if it has tremendous significance to most native Americans. It is not worshiped. Many American Indian nations, especially the Cherokee, are monotheistic, even though the Cherokee are not from the Great Plains and therefore have no tradition of a White Buffalo. And yes, there is an issue of a Jew purchasing stolen property, a halakhic issue. While the war for Texas Revolution was a just war in 1836, the Mexican American War ten years later was not. Even Congressional Rep. Abraham Lincoln was against the war, arguing that President Polk used the pretext of sending American troops south of the Nueces River in order to instigate a Mexican attack on American troops. The area between the Nueces and the Rio Grande was really Mexican territory when Pres Polk instigated a war of aggression against Mexico in 1846. Abraham Lincoln knew this, and was derided the rest of his life with the name "Spotty Lincoln" by demanding that President Polk show him the exact spot where American troops were when Mexican troops shot at them. He knew that the American troops were south of the Nueces River. So huge chunks of the American Southwest, not including the area won in the Texas War for Independence ten years earlier, were stolen from Mexico in 1846- 48. This includes Southern California where many Jews bought homes on stolen land. Yet, the additional factor of stealing from native peoples and Jews buying homes on those lands is also a problem. True, many plains Indians did not have an idea of private property, but they understood what public property was. And many Indians did have private property. This is a difficult issue to say the least. Yet, especially if America now joins in on a mission to wrest land from Jews in Eretz Yisrael because the world has deemed it stolen territory from the so called native people who disappeared 2700 years ago and longer, then historic kitrugs are opened up in Shamayim. And most American Indian claims to get most of their land back are valid. And you are correct about one thing. We will only know the final dispensation of these kitrugs of theft when Mashiach comes. We do know that here in Eretz Yisrael, G-d has given this land to us. Outside of EY, we really don't know, especially at the End of Days, when and how all old scores will be justly settled.

11/26/2012 2:17 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

lus, one last thing. The reason for taking ancient Egyptian gold was for payment of wages for all those years of slavery. By what reason do American Jews have any claim to American gold in Fort Knox, for instance? There is no justification to assume that American Jews will only get out with any more than their hard earned possessions, if they leave before economic collapse. Believing that everyone will get out with gentile gold or gentile property is coveting what your gentile neighbors might have. They have not enslaved you. So you have no claim on their gold except for money being held in Swiss bank accounts that was actually stolen from Jews during WW2. There are no such just or legit. claims on American gold. Believing that you are leaving with the gold in Fort Knox is just like believing in the magic carpet ride previously posted.

11/26/2012 2:29 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Sorry for the typo: Plus one last thing. not lus one last thing.

11/26/2012 2:40 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

You claim the Native American (which you all lump together) are strictly monotheistic. If so, awesome, they are at the level of the non-arab Muslims. Not sure it is that lofty a level and not sure it's the kind of company I like to have. If even those who define themselves monotheistic and who have as their G-d a rasha and a mamzer, but yet still a jew, have throughout the centuries exterminated us as they did, what about those who worship some strange god which likes buffaloes and enjoys hunting? If the real monotheists who don't even tolerate human pictures are doing to us what they do, what about those who do stupid rituals and have stupid symbols? If the real bnei Abraham, or Ibrahim, not just any muslim but those who recognize and are recognized by fellow muslims to be our cousins mamash, do to us what they do, what about people who are not of semitic descent? What would those people do to us, if they were in power? I am glad we don't have to find out.

Now let's analyze your reasoning. A jewish person owns land in the USA, which possibly has been stolen from some Native American. We did not steal it, mind you, we bought it from another nonjew at a fair price and without forcing him to sell, and perhaps his grand-grand-grandfather, who likely bought the property and toiled in it, was aware that until then, the land was used by hunters, who do not appreciate the development and their relocation. So you argue that perhaps the descendants of the Native American, if there are any, might come and demand "their" land (from us, not from the nonjew who sold to us, not from the nonjewish government which decided and enforced land development and relocation of natives). You suggest Moshiach HaMelech and Eliyahu HaNavi will approve. (If so, we will be delighted to pay and do a mitzva, don't you think?) And what is your proposed solution? That we, being aware of this (remote, but I suppose worrisome for you) problem with our property, DUMP it upon someone else by selling it at current market price, and let him deal with the angry descendants of the Native American.

Hmmm. I thought selling flawed goods is problematic, even when dealing with idolaters, if nothing else because it incites antisemitism.

How do you know how much I earn and how much profit do I generate for the nonjew? How do you know I have not been enslaved and my family was not enslaved? How do you know what the nonjews did to us, say, how much gold is an unfair death worth? More or less than all the gold in Fort Knox? What about a murder? A blood libel? And how do you know the amount of property and valuables that we have been stolen every 2-3 generations or more frequently? You know very well this has happened to any jewish family, except possibly to those who converted in the last few decades, yet you have all of your sympathy reserved for "native americans" only, and you tell me (despite not being my rabbi and not being qualified to rebuke me) that I am coveting "my neighbour's property" which I know for a fact so-and-so has honestly bought and paid a fair price?Don't worry, when Moshiach comes, be it tomorrow or in 200+ years, I know for a fact that I, or my descendants, will not be poor.

11/26/2012 3:43 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Daniela: From previous comments, I know that you live in Europe. The situation for Jews in Europe has historically been very different than the situation for Jews in America. So yes, in Europe you might get all that gold being held in Swiss banks and in Kiev in the Ukraine. They have robbed us blind or in case of the Cossacks have raped our women for centuries. This was barely an issue in the United States or Canada. In the US, the native Americans and the Mexicans were robbed while black Africans were enslaved. Jews by and large have done very well in North America, avoiding up until now pogroms on large scales. And of course Jews in America have never been enslaved. I realize the situation in Europe is vastly different. I am a third generation American even before I made Aliyah. My mother's mother came from the Russian/ Romanian border as a girl with her family, where pogroms were as common as family supper. G-d willing pay back time from them will now come soon enough, and you will get your Swiss, Ukrainian, and Russian gold.

11/26/2012 3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For Daniela, in response to your questions:

My comment was just some practical advice for anyone considering aliya to avoid the expense of a lift and to avoid the problem of having a property turn into a liability, that I have seen happen to people.

I don't know whether or not Moshiach is imminent, I don't advocate cutting off ties with other Jews, and to be honest, I've really no idea what you are talking about nor how you read all of that from my comment.

11/26/2012 4:19 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

The Russian-Romenian border was a very difficult place. I am sure you and your family will have plenty of riches in good time, G-d willing very soon. How you will be paid I wonder, perhaps there is not enough gold on the planet for that.
People tried to go where they felt it was less bad, be it the USA, south america, europe / UK, australia, canada, south africa, or whatever country they could think of. We don't necessarily have the perspective of what it felt like in those years, and actually until recently, people in the USA couldn't even dream about being shomer shabbat or not sending children to public school, which in Europe was no problem. My family both on grandmother's side and grandfather's side returned to Europe from USA just before WW1, and well aware WW1 was being prepared; their relatives who had been to South America, stayed there and were happy about it. My husband's family immigrated to USA about the same years. His stories are the same as my stories, plus forced assimilation, and including the rapes and the blood libels and the established businesses and apartment buildings stolen after a lifetime of hard work - and having to say thanks, too. My mother's family had the opportunity to emigrate again before ww2, they were advised to stay and they stayed. Who knows had they moved again to the USA, after having left: one of my grandfather's brothers who could not return to Europe, does not have descendants. Why he could not return to Europe you may ask? There was a blood libel against him, and he was lucky enough to escape before being sentenced. Sure, it took lots of money to the usual corrupt people. Sure, he escaped with his life and he made a living in the USA. But yet.

How much gold would it take to repay Rubashkin? He is only one of many.

11/26/2012 4:52 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

Anonymous, I apologize, there are various Anonymous posters here, some of whom are obviously different. I must have mistakenly attributed to you some comments which are not yours.

11/26/2012 4:57 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Yes, I don't want to even speak about the unspeakable horrors that my mother's mother family endured there near Kishinev. It was actually in an adjoining district. I do know that women were often raped there in succeeding generations by either Russians, Moldavians, Romanians, or Ukrainians depending on whoever was in charge at any particular time. Just thinking about the horrors of living there sends me shivers. And believe me, it leaves deep emotional scars on children of such mothers who experienced the horrors. And those scars are often passed on with mother's milk in successive generations. I wonder how G-d will compensate us when the time comes. I really do wonder. And keeping Shabbat after such horrors, in America far away from the Land of Horrors called Bessarabia, is a difficult task indeed for those who survived it. Let me leave it at that. Thinking about it even now over 100 years later still brings me to tears.

As far as Rubashkin there are certainly yechidim who need massive compensation for the injustices done against them. Yehonatan Pollard is on an entirely different plane. I pray that he gets part of his compensation for living in horror in this world too, not just in the next.

11/26/2012 5:32 PM  
Blogger Daniela said...

It does. Words are inadequate to describe.

11/26/2012 5:47 PM  
Anonymous mkf said...

Dov i know this thread is a month old but i just happened to be reading some of the comments. I want to tell you that your assessment and comments about the American Native Americans is right on..absolutely correct. Not only that but I worked for many years very closely with the Cherokee and the Ojibwe, and I am convinced that these two nations may well be from the northern kingdom ..yes lost tribes - having NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Mormon beliefs.
The issue of purchasing stolen land and the halakhic repercussions is very important one. Thanks for talking about this.

12/29/2012 10:12 PM  

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