Monday, December 20, 2010

What Might Happen Now

This post is also now appearing at the Mystical Paths blogsite.

According to the Chafetz Chaim, right after WW1, he said that WW1 was the first war of Gog and Magog. He proceeded to say that about 25 years after WW1 there would be another great war from which the Jewish people would not be redeemed. That of course was WW2, the 2nd war of Gog and Magog. He then said that sometime in the future after this second great war there would be a final great war from which the Final Redemption would take place. This prediction of his is verifiable by one of his students, Rav Elchanon Wasserman.

It is also verifiable that according to Rav Yitzchak Kaduri's quotation of the Vilna Gaon that the final battle of Gog and Magog would begin on Hoshanah Rabba, the 7th day of Sukkot, in the first year of a Shmittah (Sabbatical) cycle. It just so happens that Gog W. son of Gog Bush initiated the War on Terror after 9/11 by starting the bombing of the Taliban in Afghanistan on Hoshanah Rabbah 5762, the first year of a Shmittah cycle. The problem is that what happened after seven years of this final battle was the beginning of another severn year economic cycle spoken of in the Talmud in Sanhedrin 97a. In the third year of that cycle which we are now in, the economy of Western Civilization will collapse after signs of collapse for two full years prior. This started really in Elul 5768, just before the first year of the next Shmittah cycle, 5769, after the one that began in 5762. On Rosh HaShanna 5769, the bottom fell out of the stock market after the collapse of Lehman Bros. two weeks earlier. We are now in the third and pivotal year of that Shmittah cycle, and the dollar is literally disintegrating before our eyes. Why the seven year cycle of the War on Terror is being followed by a seven year economic cycle is a question that only Eliyahu HaNavi can answer. There is nothing about this in the words of our sages that one seven year cycle would be followed immediately on its heels by another seven year economic cycle. One possible insight is that the Jewish people have to do Teshuvah before Mashiach arrives. Since the seven year war on terror did not facilitate this teshuvah, G-d has to hit us where it really hurts, our pocketbook. The Old World Order where the purpose for serving G-d is to make money has to be replaced by its converse where the purpose for making money is to serve G-d. Since America represents the former and not the latter, America's collapse is destined to happen during the third year of this Shmittah Cycle if this is the seven year cycle from Sanhedrin 97a. The New World Order will not be lead by the likes of George Soros, of course, but by Mashiach ben Yosef who is either the present Prime Minister (Yes, believe it or not I mean Netanyahu) or one with enough faith to set up the New World Economic Order where the purpose for making money is to serve G-d. Remember it is Yosef who can economically stabilize the entire world as he did in ancient Egypt. But just like ancient Egypt the World will not appreciate what he does, and they will gather against Yerushalayim to divide it either this year or in the 7th year of this economic cycle. When the nations of the world do this, either only Mashiach ben Yosef will be killed in accordance with most commentaries on Zecharia 12 or "Half the City will go into exile" in accordance with Zecharia 14. Some other sefarim by our sages say that Mashiach ben Yosef does not have to die, but the Mixed Multitude will try to kill him for not bending on the status of Yerushalayim before the entire world (except for Canada which is very strange). Therefore, either in August (Av) of 5771 or in 5775, the next Shmittah year, the nations of the world will gather against Yerushalayim to divide it probably in order to set up a PA State. By the way, do not think for one minute that a Republican House of Reps. can prevent Obama from ordering the sending of NATO troops to do this. Since these troops would be on a peace keeping mission, he does not need a Declaration of War in accordance with the Constitution or the War Powers Act. Since no treaty will need ratification, he does not need 2/3 of the Senate to give its consent. And since the NATO troops will have a high German (Gomer) and Turkish (Togarmah) representation, Germany and Turkey will gladly flip the bill to pay for it. A special appropriations bill to pay for it from the US Congress will not be needed. In short the American Founding Fathers put way to much power in the day to day running of foreign policy into the hands of the President. But their mistake is part of Divine Providence.

One of the arguments that it might be this year is that Av 5771 is Mincha Gedolah of the 6th millennium. According to a shitah (method of calculation) of the Vilna Gaon, Mashiach ben David can no longer come Achishena, in a nice way without suffering, after Mincha Gedolah on Yom Shishi (12:30 pm on Friday). He therefore has to start coming b'itah (in its time with tribulation). Just calculate from the Year One when the 1st millennium began until the year 5001 when the 6th millennium began. That takes us to sundown at the beginning of Yom Shishi, Thursday evening. To high noon on Friday just add 750 years (3/4 of a millenmium) taking us to Rosh HaShana 5751. Since 1000 years divided by 24 hours = 41.6667 years, that is how many years correspond with each hour of the day. To get to 12:30 pm on Friday take 41.6667 divided by 2 = 20.8333 years or 20 5/6th years for each half hour. Add this to Rosh HaShanna 5751, and one gets Rosh Chodesh Av 5771, 5/6th of the way through 5771, which is this coming August 1st, just at the time when the PA wants to set up their state. On this subject one just has to see the following sent to me by Rav Pinchus Winston word for word:

Rabbah bar Bar Chanah said: Once I was going on a boat and saw a fish upon whose back grass was growing. We thought it was an island. We alighted, baked, and cooked upon it. When the back of the fish became hot, it turned over, and had the ship not been so near (to enable us to jump into it), we would have drowned (Bava Basra 73b) … Explains Rabbeinu Ya’akov: Rabbah bar Bar Channah saw with Ruach Hakodesh that in the End-of-Days, Israel would rule over a people. Israel will assume that this people has no hope of ever overcoming Israel, and will therefore subjugate them. When the people have suffered much, they will “turn the plate over on its mouth” and resist Israel. If Moshiach is not close at hand, Israel will drown from the many problems that will arise. (“I, the author of the ‘Beis Yechiel’) showed this explanation to my teacher, Rabbi Nachum Partzuvitch, immediately after the Yom Kippur War (1973). He said that these words must have been written with Divine assistance, since at the time (18th century), the idea of Jews controlling another people was incomprehensible.” (Tuvcha Yabiyu, Balak)

We can make a valid argument that that the Palestinians are not really a people, that many of their so-called refugees were simply trying to return to where they came from. The most common last name in Gaza is Masri which means Egyptian in Arabic (Mitzri in Hebrew), proving that all those people with that last name were originally from Egypt. They made massive immigration to the Holy Land because the Jews were arriving at the same time, bringing with them the highest prosperity in that part of the world from the 1880s onward. In 1947 and 48 these Arabs were trying to return back to Egypt when King Farouk stopped them at the border and forced them to settle in Gaza. The Masris became instant Palestinians. Kaboom!!. This happened many times over with a massive influx from Jordan because the Palestinian Mandate under the British had an open border with the Jordanians with almost unlimited immigration while Jews were forced to wait in line to enter starting in the 1930s. Of course in 1939 Jewish immigration was effectively ended. What a wonderful time for the civilized British Empire to shut down Jewish immigration to the Holy Land! How thoughtful that Empire was! And with unlimited Arab immigration from Jordan to boot! Yea, I am sure no Arabs showed up from there to participate in the highest standard of living in the entire Middle East. But the facts are, they are here now, and in 1964 the new ethnic group, the Palestinians formed the PLO to liberate Palestine from the Jews. Wait a second. Judea and Samaria were part of Jordan in 1964. What lands was the PLO formed to liberate? Golly, could it be Haifa and Tel Aviv? Do they still want to flood Haifa and Tel Aviv with 7 million Arab "refugees"? Well PM Fayyad just said that last week. So for what reason are we talking to them? Because if we do not the entire world will come to force a settlement, and they will send NATO (Gomer and Togarmah), Russian (Meshach and Tuval), and UN troops, representing the entire Quartet. So the only fact on the ground is that 3 million Arabs live in Judea, Samaria, Gaza, and "East Yerushalayim" along with another million and a half who live in pre-67 Israel. No matter how they got here, they are here now with no real demographic solution in sight. And now they want to, in the words of the interpretation to the above medrash, "turn the plate over on its mouth" and "re-establish" the historically non-existent" Arab country or even province of Palestine in Judea and Samaria and Haifa and Tel Aviv and the Gallilee. How unbelievably thoughtful of them! We get to remain in a non-Jewish State of Israel with a majority Arab population that was in large part from either Egypt or Jordan to begin with who magically coalesced into a people in 1964. And of course we will be dhimmi'ized, and no Jew will ever ascend again to the seventh step leading to the Cave of Machpelah where Avraham, Isaac, and Ya'akov and their wives are buried. Remember Hebron will be Judenrein. But this is what the above medrash says.

Whichever it is Rosh Chodesh Av 5771 or sometime in 5775, the nations of the world will gather against Yerushalayim to kick off the final phase of the battle of Gog and Magog. According to Talmudic Sources and the Prophet Micah 5:2, this final tribulation of Jews being dislocated from their properties should last approximately nine months. At that point according to the Talmud in several places, there will be one great apocalyptic battle between Rome or Edom (Western Civilization) and Persia (Iran) and its allies such as North Korea. This should therefore happen either in 5772 or 5776. During this war all the nations that gathered to divide Yerushalayim will be punished by the effects of a nuclear war. See Zecharia 14 for the plague upon the nations that come up against Yerushalayim. It describes the effects of nuclear blasts upon the human body. During this nine month period there will be severe punishments leading up to this war upon the nations of the world. We saw with the evacuation from Gaza and the northern Shomron a preview of things that will take place if the nations of the world evacuate Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem of their Jews. Hurricane Katrina, the worst natural disaster in American History, came to New Orleans within two weeks of these evacuations. During this hurricane 60 times as many Americans lost their homes as were evacuated from Gaza and N. Shomron. Until this day tens of thousands of New Orleans residnents are living in temporary shelters. If this 60 to one ratio holds up for the evacuations of Jews from Judea and Samaria to make them Judenrein, then 320,000 Jews will lose their homes (for up to nine months). 60 * 320,000 = more than 19 million people worldwide will lose their homes as divine retribution for that many Jews losing their homes. This will also happen in short order after any successful evacuations from Judea and Samaria.

East Yerushalayim has a special status though. According to Zecharia 12, just talking about slowing down Jewish population growth in the Holy City will cause that nation that does the talking in the words of the Prophet to be lacerated. It is very possible that G-d will consider the 19 years that Yerushalayim was divided under Jordanian rule between 1948 and 1967 to be enough time where Jews in East Yerushalayim were forcibly removed from their homes. But the verses in Zecharia 14 do not say this. Immediately after it says that all the nations of the world will gather against Yerushalayim, it says that homes will be ramsacked and women will be violated, and half of the City will go into exile. To say that this happened in 1948 would require HaShem to use His attribute of Rachamim (Mercy) in calculating the events of the End of Days. He did this in Egypt by counting the 400 years of exile from the birth of Yitzchak. We therefore only spent 210 years in Egypt. He could be doing this again, but we cannot expect it because in 1948 all the nations of the world did not gather against Yerushalayim. Only Jordan's Arab League gathered against Yerushalayim. This is a far cry from what is about to happen in our time where the entire world will gather against the Jews in East Yerushalayim and where the entire world will at least attempt to send half of the City into exile. With all this exile and being thrown out of one's permanent home into temporary shelters, no wonder that the holiday which most represents the Final Redemption is Sukkot, the holiday of temporary dwellings.

On this note it might be best to discuss where should one be to be part of these apocalyptic events. Here in Eretz Yisrael the worst that will happen to its Jews is that up to 570,000 Jews might lose their homes in Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem. Some women might be violated while they are being dislocated from their homes too, which of course is even worse than the expulsions. What will happen to the rest of the world because of this will be far worse. Will Jewish communities in the Diaspora have invisible shields to protect them from the punishments on the nations in which they dwell. I do not beieve so, but there are actually those in the Diaspora who think that this is the case. They believe this even though already most homes in America have lost between 25-50% of their cash value since the onset of the sub-prime mortgage crisis which began in 2006. Most Jewish communities have suffered along with the rest of America with steep declines in the value of their homes, declines which have become far more steep over the last two years. It does not look like that the invisible shield theory has worked very well. On the other hand, there are medrashim about miracles here in the Land of Israel that will protect Eretz Yisrael from the worst of the backlash on the nations. This does not include earthquakes that will turn Yerushalayim into a plain by flattening out the entire City, but there is a medrash which talks about aerial attacks of "missiles" which will be stopped by the Hand of G-d. Do not confuse this with Ehud Barak's and B. Hussein Obama's Iron Dome for the truncated Eretz Yisrael which in their minds does not include Judea, Samaria, Gaza, and East Yerushalayim. Such borders are proving to be insane as secular Israelis on the Left Coast are slowly waking up to this fact.

Anyway whether it is less than two years or if it is five years, the end is clearly in sight. And if it takes longer so be it.

To end this off, I need to note three other reasons why the nations might gather against Yerushalayim this year and not in 5775. For one, there is a post from Rav Lazer Brody, right after the evacuations from Gush Katif in 5765 (Aug. 2005), that quoted Rabbeinu Bachya on the Torah portion of VaYechi, that the Final Redemption (either Mashiach ben Yosef or ben David) has to begin within seven years of Jews being forcibly removed from their homes. Rav Lazer has recently purged many of his old posts including this one from his archives, for he says that he does not want to comment any more on politics. Everything that he writes about now deals with increasing emunah (faith) in HaShem in the world. Therefore, do not look for this post in his archives. I do not know why this does not include Yamit and other communities that were in the far-eastern Sinai in 1982 as part of the Peace Treaty with Egypt. These communities were also part of Eretz Yisrael according to BaMidbar (Book of Numbers) which includes up to 1/3 of the eastern Sinai. But the evacuation of Gush Katif by a standing army of 200,000 Jews as part of the time of Gog son of Gog is spoken about by the Targum (translator) Yonatan ben Uziel from 2000 years ago here on Deut. 34:2-3. He even mentions by name the Capital City of Gush Katif as Kirvat Dekalya, City of Date Palms (It actually was Newe Dekalim, The Dwellings of Date Palms). Now this happened 5 1/2 years ago. By August of this year it will be six years since the evacuation of Gush Katif, leaving only one year left in Rabbeinu Bachya's calculation. Of course this calculation allows for the arrival of Mashiach ben Yosef in the seventh year from the evacuation from Gush Katif and not necessarily the coming of ben David. Secondly, in my Cosmic Clock this year 5771 is the Year of Hoshana Rabbah, the seventh Year of Sukkoth. Therefore until the end of this year according to the Cosmic Clock, Jews could still enter "temporary dwellings" , forcibly this time at the hands of the entire world. Also in accordance with the Cosmic Clock, 5772 is Shmini Atzeret, the 8th day of the Great Festival of the Final Redemption on which only one sacrificial bull for the nation Israel was offered. On the other previous seven days of the Festival, during the seven days of Sukkot, 70 bulls for the 70 original nations of the world are offered up. The nations of the world are invited to "party" with Israel during these first seven days. Shmini Atzeret is only for Israel, and we return to live in our permanent homes too. Therefore it makes sense that Israel's Final Redemption might come to its peak during 5772 according to the Cosmic Clock. Finally there is a book by Eliyahu Shatz. I came across this book because of my close association with Rabbi Dr. Marvin Antelman (To Eliminate the Opiate) who highly recommends Shatz's book written in Hebrew (Commentary of Eliyahu on Prophesies of the Redemption in (the Hebrew) Scripture). In this book he dissects the two word expression that appears regularly throughout Scripture Acharit HaYamim (The End of Days). He says Yamim should be understood as Yoma'im (Two days) as it says in Hoshea 6:2 After two days He will rescucitate us. On the third day He will raise us up, and we will live before Him. The two days are 2000 years where the Holy Temple lies fallow in a state of ruin. This includes 70 years for the First Temple, and 1930 years for the 2nd Temple. This takes us to the end of the Year 5760 (Fall of 2000). Acharit refers to the beginning the the Al Aksa Intafada which began about 36 hours before Rosh HaShannah 5761 (Fall of 2000). Somehow he derives that Acharit refers to twelve years. He understands this as twelve years of the final third battle of Gog and Magog. Rabbi Dr. Antelman has given me another book to read in English by the same author which derives this from the Book of Daniel. I will let you all know when I have read it, bli neder, and understood it. He definitively says in the above referenced book that the Redemption is in 5772. The copyright date on the book is in 5764 (2004).

As with everything else we will have to see it happen to know for sure. In truth none of this is certain as I have learned since I started blogging in early 2005 right after the South Asian Tsunami. We should just be prepared for anything that G-d might happen to throw our way. It is all for our very best. This is the generation that will correct the original sins of Israel in the desert. G-d will find the best path for us to do that.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

will war start with korea this week

12/20/2010 7:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Is it possible that the famine Chazal speak of in shas can include Eretz Yisrael and not only the west, despite extant economic factors? I raise this question not to launch an opening machloket, but Chazal also mention suffering of great Tzadikim and hahacim. How many of these are in chu"l?


12/20/2010 7:29 AM  
Blogger גילוי said...

Where in Kitvei haGR"A did you find what you asserted here?

12/20/2010 10:22 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

HaSepharadi: You are 100% correct. There will not be a point on the globe that will escape the famine of the third year. I thought I made that clear when I said that we all have to do Teshuvah. But now I see that I did not specifically say that this obviously includes Eretz Yisrael. Our secular brethren on the Left Coast of Eretz Yisrael will not be part of this process unless the famine hits here too. A steadily sinking America and a defunct EU will leave the world in economic shambles. America is tne number one consumer economy of all time. And the EU because of its size has a larger overall economy than the US. If Spain and Portugal go the way of Greece, Europe will collapse under the weight of its own debt. There is no instant cure for the collapse of the West's two largest economies. So things do not begin to turn around until the fourth year of the cycle. If this is the third year described in San. 97a, we will all need to turn to G-d to recover from it in the fourth year. I will amend my post tomorrow saying that if we want Mashiach ben Yosef to arise here or if we want the present PM to be MBY, we will all especially here in Eretz Yisrael have to mend fences with HaShem.

12/20/2010 11:09 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

To Anon.: Back in 2005 I wrote the following post: The Koreas in the Twilight zone. Follow this link:

In the article I describe how the Korean Peninsula begins to cross over into Yom SheKulo Shabbat in 5770. I would like to correct that now. I was off by one year. You see all my calculations were based on the Vilna Gaon who said that 3/4 of the way through the 6th Millennium a Great Shofar would be blown in Heaven calling all the Jews in from their fields to prepare for Yom SheKulo Shabbat. I said that that year was 5750. In the intervening five years since then I have come to realize that the year was actually 5751. You see Adam received his Neshama and sinned on Rosh HaShannah of the Year One not the year Zero. Therefore, one has to add one year to all the calculations that use the Shitah of the Vilna Gaon since we are counting from the Year One not the Year Zero. Therefore, the Korean Peninsula begins to cross over into Yom SheKulo Shabbat in 5771 not 5770. The eastern edge of the peninsula is at 129 degrees east longitude. Seoul itself is 127 degrees east longitude a difference of two degrees. Using my calculation from the above post: 2.5 years/degree * 2 degrees = five years. Therefore the Korean Peninsula could begin to explode in any week between now and five years from now. What do I mean by explode? For that we need to go to the Holy Zohar on VaEra 32a which says the following: Then a nation from the furthest ends of the earth (probably but not certainly North Korea) will rise against wicked Rome (definitely the West) and fight against her for three months, and many nations will gather there and fall into the hands of that people, until all the sons of Edom will congregate against her from all the ends of the earth. Then the Holy One will rise against them, as it says: "A slaughter of the L-rd in Batzrah and a great slaughter in the Land of Edom" (Isaiah 34:6). Batzrah is the Shiite stronghold in Southern Iraq and a natural ally of Persia (Iran) in the last great war. I have frequently discussed on this blog the final dispensation of Edom in Batzrah.

12/21/2010 12:13 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Continued from above: How the West gets back into Batzrah to be slaughtered there, I do not know. It was a lot easier to see this when the British were there in force. Ultimately to protect the world's oil reserves from Iran, the West will have to go back in force to Iraq and Batzrah in particular. How this happens is almost impossible to predict. If the three month nuclear war with North Korea happens now, events will trip over themselves, and HaShem will have His sacrifice in Batzrah in short order. If it happens five years from now, it is too far in the future to even guess. One thing is clear from the Zohar. Its description of the war with North Korea comes right after a long explanation of why Yishmael's imperfect brit Milah gives him control of Yerushalayim until Mashiach comes, and that Edom may encroach on Yerushalayim, but he will never take it from the sons of Yishmael. Well Yishmael still controls the Temple Mt. A Jew cannot even pray there without getting arrested. Somehow the final battle over Yerushalayim which includes control of the Temple Mount and the coming war with North Korea are inextricably linked.

12/21/2010 12:37 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

To Gilui: I get it from the following video by Rav Nathanael Kinstein from Yesh Mah La'asot Yeshivah:

Now I know that Rav Kinstein is not one to make things up. Of course he made the same mistake that I spoke about above. He starts counting from the non-existent Year Zero. Therefore, he arrives at Mincha Gedolah of Yom Shishi to be Rosh Chodesh Av of 5770 which is 5750 + 20.8333 years. This apparently is a common error. I made it too until recently as pointed out in my comments above. Adding the Year One therefore brings one to Rosh Chodesh Av 5771 as Mincha Gedolah on Yom Shishi. There is actually a calendar that points this out that Mincha Gedolah is this year not last year that a good friend of mine knows about. I will try to get that info to you after I talk to my friend. By the way, since 5771 is a year with 13 months, there are some who might say that .8333 of a year takes us to the 25th of Tamuz, but it is only a five day difference to Rosh Chodesh Av.

12/21/2010 1:17 AM  
Blogger גילוי said...

Had the GR"A written it explicitly, you would know the source, because everyone would be quoting it, including the source, and not just one Rav. It is an interpretation.

12/21/2010 6:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

war korea 20 tevet

12/21/2010 7:34 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

Gilui: Actually there have been many others who have been talking about Mincha Gedolah, including the Rav who wrote the calendar that my friend has. I have not reached him yet today. Until I can, there is one blogger who has done a lot of work on this:

Check out his five part series:

He brings down many Rabbeim including the Chatham Sofer. More later, G-d willing. By the way Ya'ak also started out making the same mistake of assuming the first year of Adam as the Year Zero and therefore calculating Mincha Gedolah as Av 5770. But by the time he did the spreadsheet for Excel, he had realized his error.

12/21/2010 8:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seven years of diplomacy
Seven years of war
Seven years of economic upheaval
Seven years of disease/pandemic

You're missing one. Or two, if you count that you come into it after the first seven-year period.

We shall see about Israel, we shall see about Korea, but I'm not certain your timing is right. You're missing one.

12/21/2010 9:44 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

To Anon.:

The problem is that neither the Talmud nor the Tanakh (Hebrew Scripture) talks about a seven year cycle of disease/pandemic, except in the context of the third year of the economic cycle where it says that many will die of hunger, G-d forbid. By the fifth year of this cycle, there is both spiritual and material prosperity, thank G-d. Sixth year there are voices. Seventh year there are wars. Eighth year, ben David comes. Where does it mention a disease cycle?

12/21/2010 11:34 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...


By the way, I see that in the five part series that I mentioned above, Ya'ak links to your July 6, 2009 post twice. Yasher Ko'ach. Perhaps you have already read his five part series.

12/22/2010 12:48 AM  
Blogger Reuven said...

Hi Dov,

Wonderful post as usual!

Similar to what you mention here, one of my Rabbeim told me that this is a gemara (not sure which masechet, probably Shabbat?) which says that the shofar is blown 3 times on erev Shabbat. The first to call in the people from the fields, the second so that people can check their kaylim, and the final one to light the Shabbat candles. I understood from him that the time of the first shofar was mincha gedolah 12.30pm, ie this year.

Do you know where this is found? (sorry, I'm being lazy and havent spent the time to locate it myself!)

12/23/2010 4:52 PM  
Anonymous avraham said...

look now wait till december 26-27 20 tevet 5771 war korea the code saids

12/23/2010 8:12 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

To Reuven:

It is all in Shabbat 35b. Except there were six blasts of the shofar not three. The first blast was to call people in from their fields to prepare for Shabbat. The Talmud itself is silent about when that occurred. It would make sense if that were at either high noon or Mincha Gedolah. The 2nd blast was to cause those who worked in cities to cease work. The third blast was for kindling Shabbat candles according to one view or for removing one's tefillin which used to be worn all day on weekdays. Then in quick succession there were a tekiah ( one long blast), a teruah (several short blasts), and another tekiah that were blown just before Shabbat. The teruah, of course, is considered one blast. Therefore there were a total of 6 shofar blasts.

According to the Rambam, the first blast was at Mincha time. He does not specify whether this was Mincha Gedola or Mincha Ketana. It is anyone's guess. But if it was to call Jews in from their fields, it was probably Mincha Gedolah, for they would need time to prepare for Shabbat. (Hilchot Shabbat 5, halachah 20).

Apparently according to the Tur, the first tekiah was at Mincha Gedolah (Orach Chaim, siman 251 and 256). That should settle it, but I heard from an Aish speaker several years ago, that the Vilna Gaon was of the opinion that the first blast was at high noon (12pm), not at Mincha Gedolah which is, of course, 12:30.

I hope that covers all major opinions.

12/24/2010 2:10 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

By the way, Rav Modechai Ganot in his calendar Davar B'ito writes a long article about the upcoming cosmic Mincha Gedolah on Rosh Chodesh Av or on the 25th of Tamuz 5771. The possible five day discrepency is only because 5771 is a year with 13 months and not the regular 12 months. Therefore 5/6ths of a year in a 13 month year is the 25th of Tamuz. But what could possibly occur in just five days between the 25th Tamuz and Rosh Chodesh Av! Hmm. Anyway Rav Ganot's lengthy article on the subject is worth reading.

12/24/2010 2:31 AM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Aish Rabbi who spoke with much animation, whom I referred to in the above comment, was Rav Motty Berger. He actually spoke about the Gaon's words about 5750 and 5751 a year before everything transpired from the Fall of 1989 until the Fall of 1991. It was a real eye opening shiur.

From the fall of the Berlin Wall to the influx of almost a million Jews from behind what was the Iron Curtain to Operation Shlomo in 5751, the rescue of 14,000 Ethiopian Jews; from the 1st Persian Gulf War prosecutd by Gog Bush Sr. and the 39 scuds that fell harmlessly on Eretz Yisrael killing a total of one person who worked tirelessly to remove the Shabbat barriers from around Bnei Brak. Two years of hidden and not so hidden miracles. Motty Berger's talk in early 1989 (5749) still resonates in my soul.

12/24/2010 3:02 AM  
Blogger גילוי said...


When asserting a shita regarding chesbonot and kitzim, you should post the sources on the inside, or quote with the appropriate qualifications, that it is an interpretation of someone. To not do so is dangerous on multiple levels.

12/24/2010 3:12 PM  
Blogger Dov Bar-Leib said...

First of all, I meant to write that the author of the calendar is Rav Mordechai Ganot not Modechai Ganot. That is for those who may want to do a Google search about his calendar. I do not know if his calendar for 5771 is available anymore since it is over three months since the beginning of the new year 5771. But you can try to get it to see what he says.

Secondly, Gilui: I will be more careful in the future to explain what a shitah is when quoting someone. This is so even though I clearly say in the post that it is a method of calculation, not a calculation done by the GRA himself. I have been trying to get a hold of Rav Kinstein for a while now about his source that the cosmic Mincha Gedolah is the end of all achishena possibilities and that Mashiach can only come b'itah starting at that time.

My sense is that it has to do with Psalm 102:12-16 which states:

My days are like a leaning shadow, and I will dry up (wither) like grass. And You HaShem are ensconced forever, and Your memory is for all the generations. You will arise, will show Tzion mercy, for the time (eit as in b'itah) to favor Her, for the appointed time (mo'ed or festival) has come. That Your servants have cherished Her stones, and they have favored Her dust. And (then) the nations will revere the Name of HaShem, and all the kings of the earth (will revere) Your Honour.

From this passage it is clear that the time of the leaning shadow directly precedes the b'itah (in its time) moment. Since there never can be a time that Mashiach cannot come, the process of his coming the hard way (the time of the withering grass) has to begin with the time of the leaning shadow. Ya'ak in his five part series shows how this time of the leaning shadow is Minchah Gedolah. Again that is:

Yet I will still try to get a hold of Rav Kinstein for his clarification on his video. Thanks again.

By the way, the withering grass in Psalm 102 seems to refer to economic deprivation or a famine which is described as being in the third year of the seven year cycle described in San. 97a. It could also refer to the economic situation of up to 570,000 Jews who might lose their homes. That is just my thought on the matter.

12/25/2010 10:29 PM  
Anonymous avraham said...

this year moshiach

12/30/2010 5:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rabbi David Katz of Safed gives his calculation based on Daniel for the Geulah being this year 5771in his talk "5771 The Geulah Rashi Ramban Zohar" here

1/09/2011 5:02 AM  
Anonymous yg said...

The 9 Months end close to Pesach time this year. Adar II is supposed to add to our joy & our time to pray.

I recommend that A) we start praying ages ago, and that B) we reignite the prayerful mindset now to protect the vulnerable and to speed up a happy GEULA conclusion.

1/17/2011 8:36 AM  
Anonymous avraham said...

hezbollah take over leabanon

1/25/2011 6:10 PM  
Anonymous tzvi said...

the whole middle east is upriseing for big summer

1/30/2011 9:37 PM  
Anonymous tzvi said...

HaRav Koppelman, shlita, is the Rosh Yeshiva of Lucerne, Switzerland and possibly the oldest rosh yeshiva in the world today at 104.

Last week he visited the Jewish community in Manchester, England. During a talk given there he said,

“I am not a prophet, nor the son of a prophet but we say we are living in Moshiach's times. I cannot say the minute or the month but I can say that we are no longer talking of years

2/11/2011 5:35 PM  
Anonymous tzvi said...

egypt end of day moshiach come within a year

שנה שחלה בה ליקוי חמה ידועה כשנה הרת אסונות לאומות העולם
להלן מובא בפניכם נבואה שאולי תואמת לתקופתינו בהקשר של נשיא מצרים...
וסכסכתי מצרים במצרים איש באחיו איש ברעהו
המקור: האריז"ל

Maybe "Egypt" is really the USA with Obama as Gog. Afterall, he is encoded in Ezekiel 38:2-3 in such a precise way appearing to identify him as Gog. 3.5 years would be fom Jan. 2009 to about summer 2012. This can also tie in with Daniel 7:25 and even Ezekiel 39:

2/11/2011 5:38 PM  

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