Calming the Debate and Eliminating the Vitriol
Dear Fellow Bloggers and Visitors to this Site:
There has been much anger and antagonism expressed on this site towards people who want the best for each other. Our anger should be directed towards those who really hate us such as Amalek or the Erev Rav, not toward each other. We accomplish nothing by engaging in debate without showing love and respect for others with differing points of view. Right now the world is going through a period of strict judgment. As the 2nd year of Sukkot (Read article on the Cosmic Clock in the sidebar) approaches, Yitzkhak our Patriarch's most representative attribute of Divine justice will become ever more apparent. A fruit tree that is planted after the 15th of Av is considered to be planted the following year. Hurricane Katrina was that tree. It came with G-d's vengeance and caused much human suffering. Its effects will continue to reverberate throughout the rest of this painful process of bringing Mashiach. I do not know what full measure of strict justice awaits us all this coming year even though I continue to believe the safest place to experience these birth pangs is here in the Land of Israel. ( If you can make it happen, great. If you cannot, G-d willing you will persevere. Please do not attack me about this. I understand the different ways of looking at this. I especially understand that G-d counts your desire to be here as a great mitzvah!)
Having said this, I truly believe that the wanton anger by all parties involved just needs to stop. Sinah (Hatred and rage) against our fellow Jews who are not part of the Erev Rav and against righteous gentiles serves no purpose and is Chinam (fruitless). I have made it a point to not erase vitriol from this forum even if it is directed against me. I do not want to be accused of squashing debate. Yet, from now on I will erase the vitriol, no matter against whom it is directed. I will continue to refer to Peres as the Vulture because that is what his name means. Yet I will attempt to offer up my points without malice towards anyone and with charity for all, as one of the greatest men of all time once said in his 2nd inaugural address. I just pray that neither I nor this blog meet with his fate. Remember the Torah is a tree of life to those who cling to it....But most of all, its ways are ways of pleasantness, and all its paths are peace.
Let us direct our anger against those that are truly engaging in real, bloodletting evil. Otherwise the anger is totally destructive.
There has been much anger and antagonism expressed on this site towards people who want the best for each other. Our anger should be directed towards those who really hate us such as Amalek or the Erev Rav, not toward each other. We accomplish nothing by engaging in debate without showing love and respect for others with differing points of view. Right now the world is going through a period of strict judgment. As the 2nd year of Sukkot (Read article on the Cosmic Clock in the sidebar) approaches, Yitzkhak our Patriarch's most representative attribute of Divine justice will become ever more apparent. A fruit tree that is planted after the 15th of Av is considered to be planted the following year. Hurricane Katrina was that tree. It came with G-d's vengeance and caused much human suffering. Its effects will continue to reverberate throughout the rest of this painful process of bringing Mashiach. I do not know what full measure of strict justice awaits us all this coming year even though I continue to believe the safest place to experience these birth pangs is here in the Land of Israel. ( If you can make it happen, great. If you cannot, G-d willing you will persevere. Please do not attack me about this. I understand the different ways of looking at this. I especially understand that G-d counts your desire to be here as a great mitzvah!)
Having said this, I truly believe that the wanton anger by all parties involved just needs to stop. Sinah (Hatred and rage) against our fellow Jews who are not part of the Erev Rav and against righteous gentiles serves no purpose and is Chinam (fruitless). I have made it a point to not erase vitriol from this forum even if it is directed against me. I do not want to be accused of squashing debate. Yet, from now on I will erase the vitriol, no matter against whom it is directed. I will continue to refer to Peres as the Vulture because that is what his name means. Yet I will attempt to offer up my points without malice towards anyone and with charity for all, as one of the greatest men of all time once said in his 2nd inaugural address. I just pray that neither I nor this blog meet with his fate. Remember the Torah is a tree of life to those who cling to it....But most of all, its ways are ways of pleasantness, and all its paths are peace.
Let us direct our anger against those that are truly engaging in real, bloodletting evil. Otherwise the anger is totally destructive.
posted by Dov Bar-Leib at 9/17/2005 10:25:00 PM
10 Comments:
BS"D
Dear Dov,
You mentioned the 5 final Hebrew letters in a prior post that was most illuminating. How those letters are now bending and allowing the Din they held back to pour forth upon the world. Of intest especially were the Final Tzaddi, Final Nun and Finam Mem which spell tsunami.
Is there a way to devise a chart of these Kaf, Mem, Nun, Pe and Tzade final letters and come up with a set of combinations that would allow a glimpse into what awaits us?
I want to personally thank you for banging the gavel here. I, for one, don't appreciate being victim to a character/integrity assassination.
Rabbi Moshe Yess
Aron Benjamin: Did Rav Eliyahu CONTRADICT Rav Kaduri's words?
BS”D
Why on earth people here are motivated to copy from my own website and paste into Dov’s commentary section anonymously and with no comment… I have no idea. Should you agree or disagree with what I have written at my website then at least be man or woman enough to send me an email and vent your feelings to my face. Otherwise you are behaving like a coward in my opinion.
We have all benefited from Dov’s Torah insights here. It is the apex of rudeness to Dov to derail his Torah-issues oriented posts by using his commentary section to them as a dissing parlor. When I read the 4th or 5th posted effort at calling Meshichisten the same as Xians…I decided that those who give should have a solid taste of what it feels like to get. That was probably wrong…yet necessary, I felt. It caused Dov to bring down the gavel here on basic rules of etiquette….based upon Halacha.
There was a kosher dairy restaurant on 14th Avenue in Boro Park that I frequented years ago when on concert tours. One day as I sat alone a frumma Yid came up to me and said “Are you Moshe Yess?” I replied yes and asked what I could do for him. He introduced himself as a Rabbi and I will keep his name anonymous for this comment.
He informed me that he was at the executive level of the Rabbinical Council of America. He said to me…“You’re a Lubavitcher. Is that right?”
I nodded yes.
Then he told me this story.
“You know I have been with the RCA for going on 20 years now. When we first heard of Lubavitch setting up card tables on the streets in Manhattan and asking passerby’s if they were Jewish and if they had put on t’fillin today we had a real good laugh. How quaint. How undignified and over the top such behavior was. We laughed, we mocked and of course we cited the Halachic arguments about the required necessary bodily cleanliness of the Jew being asked to don tfillin.”
Then his mood suddenly changed. He began confiding in me. He said…
“You know…that was 20 years ago. Today we look back and we see that what we then mocked has become the strongest force in Orthodox Jewish rejuvenation in the world. We are no longer laughing.”
Between Dov’s blog, and www. Gogumogog.com, and Rav Kaduri’s recent proclamations, and the many other frumma websites now going public…I am watching an awakening happen. Finally! After the years of ridicule, arrogance and posseling Lubavitchers out of minyanim…the first rays of the Moshiach sunrise are becoming perceived.
The Rebbe told us back in 1991 that “The arrival of Moshiach is no longer a dream of the distant future. It is an imminent event that needs to be emotionally internalized and studied about from all classical Jewish Sources including the teachings of the Nosi Hadoar.”
On 3 Tammuz 5754 the frumma wags were predicting the collapse of Chabad. They predicted that Lubavitchers would throw themselves off of buildings. Again the scoffers were proven wrong.
There is no surer bet in all of Torah than to listen to, obey and hold by the teachings of a Novi Emes. The Novi Emes trumps the Talmud Chacham. The sheer magnitude of what we are all headed into, what awaits us, will dwarf all the miracles recorded in Exodus, the Rebbe told us.
I am in possession of an English translated 1988 Maimer from the Rebbe that foretells what Moshiach does “post mortem” prior to his ultimate revelation to the world as Moshiach Tzidkeinu. To anyone who wants a free copy all you have to do is email me, myess@charter.net.
As Dov has hinted at in prior posts and as Rabbi Weisberg of Toronto states outright on his 40 minute free audio stream about Gush Katif at
www.Gogumogog.com
…the Rabbis of our generation have been stricken with blindness. Upon Whom can we now rely? Solely upon our Father in Heaven.
Rabbi Moshe Yess
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2005/09/will_the_real_r.html
Since this morning, I received six letters claiming that Yehoshua Meiri is not a bona fide spokesman for Rav Kaduri shlit'a. One person put me in contact with Shimon Tetrashvilli, Rav Kaduri's personal attendant and bodyguard, as well as close associate of Rabbi Yisrael Kaduri, Rav Kaduri's grandson. Shimon, with the approval of Rav Yisrael Kaduri, dictated the following statement:
1. No one is a bona fide spokesman for Rav Yitzchak Kaduri shlit'a.
2. Accept only what you hear from Rav Kaduri first hand.
3. Although Rav Kaduri recognizes the value of making aliya, he has not called for immediate massive aliya. Indeed, the Rav continues to bless many of his followers who choose to remain abroad.
4. No website is sanctioned to speak in Rav Kaduri's name.
5. Rav Kaduri has not predicted or forecasted any natural disasters other than what appears already in the writings of the Navi'im (prophets).
BS"D
Newsflash on Drudge Report:-
From WHO...
World has slim chance to stop flu pandemic
Sep 20 1:48 AM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/20/MTFH19822_2005-09-20_05-56-51_SCH016489.html
Rabbi Moshe Yess
Arutz-7 responds to the "Kaduri Controversy":
You can tell people that Baruch Gordon who wrote the article in English spoke personally with Meiri and confirmed this. Apparently Rav Kaduri said this is from an interview with Meiri and Meiri then copied what he said down, went to Rav Kaduri and asked him if he would sign it to let people know that he stood by what he said. In which he reportedly did. Rav Lazer Brody also spoke directly with Meiri who confirmed this. Whether it will happen or not, no one knows, however, it does seem that Rav Kaduri did say this.
I'm sorry, but La'aniat Dati you're not changing anything. If is is still allowed to hate the erev rav, then everyone will say the other persion is an erev rav and continue to pour out the vitriol. Too often it seems that "Eilu v'eilu divrei Elokim Chaim (these and these are the words of the living God)" has been replaced for too many dati people with, "agree with me or you are a Rasha gamur and deserve to die."
As for saying you can still call someone by an animal name because, after all, it's only a translation of his name...well, there are a lot of us out there (including thee and me) with names which translate to animals that always or in certain circumstances can turn vicious; you know what they say about glass houses.
True Kinat HaShem (zealousy for Hashem), as demonstrated by Pinchas, has no room for hatred, anger, or personal feelings. If any of those had colored his actions, he would not have escaped the death penalty for murder. He saw, objectively, what had to be done, and he did it with a pure heart and without rancor. And even so, it broke a piece of his heart, because he was forced to destroy two beings created in the Divine Image. Even his reward of a Covenant of Peace was broken as a result: the vav in the work "Shalom" (Bamidbar 25:12) is the only letter in the Torah that is broken and still Kosher.
We need to stop directing our anger anywhere, but direct our determination to finding and solving the real root causes of all our suffering; to work FOR the geula, not AGAINST the wrong enemies.
P.S. the previous post about Katrina contained a very common but very great misunderstanding of P'shat in Pasuk in the story of S'dom; I hope IY"H to have a post on my own blog shortly explaining that, as well as my own take on Katrina.
"...anyone who does not participate in the battle against the Erev Rav becomes, de facto, a partner with the k'lipah of the Erev Rav, and was better off not being born in the first place." (Kol HaTor, Chapter 2, Section 2, Letter 'bais')
Just curious Yehuda,
What are you doing towards your participation?
YY said:
Perhaps the lesson to be learned from this is that those who see "hatred" where love of Israel is the motivating factor are only reflecting the hatred that exists within their own hearts.
No offense but anyone can say words like these to compensate for their own virulent hate.
BTW, didn't you day on another post that you weren't going to spew any more of your hatred?
YehudIT,
You're proving what point??????????
1-I am not a meshichistic. Where in my statement did anything reflect that I was?
Why are you committing loshen hora against Moshe Yess? What does he have to do with any of this?
Did his name come up in my post?
Why can't you answer the questions instead of side tracking? I think it would be educational for many of us.
You can't see anything past your own hate!
YY,i think you make your point very clear... you want people to see "black" and "white",therefore one can either be supporting black, or supporting white, if you are not supporting white, you are enabling black, if you are not fighting black, you are fighting white.... right???
i think it's all great, but since there is A LOT of "grey" around us, it's almost impossible to be accurate in our findings. only Hashem, Moshiach and Tzaddikim can do the job. there is A LOT of falsehood, which dulls our judgment. that doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to make that distinction, but in my opinion we rely on our accuracy to which we must give the benefit of the doubt.
i think you are right, that those who see hate in others and are intimidated by that hate, hate themselves. but even more so i agree with meturgeman, that we must make no room for hate at all. it's a disabling reaction, which cripples one's function, dulls judgment and leads to sin. may we all be freed from hate!!!
kind regards
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